Posted July 02, 2002 - 05:55 PM
WHAT I WAS DOING: Simply approch corner standing let off throttle and use the engine to break, I would then kick the leg forward as I sat down as far forward as possible and gradually give throttle until exit.
WHAT I Tried TODAY: Approch corner as fast as I could standing up as I enter the corner I would sit down apply slight front brake and milk the clutch keeping the revs up. As I was at the apex I would use the clutch to control exit speed.
It seemed to work well but if I am doing somthing fundementaly wrong would like you feedback. Corner was burmed about 4 foot and about 15 feet from entry to exit fairly sharp, dirt is hard pack dirt.
Posted July 02, 2002 - 06:22 PM
Anyway, what your doing seems fine. Its not the fastest way but its a safe way. Just practice and gradually work on moving through the entire corner faster and you speed should improve.
Posted July 02, 2002 - 07:05 PM
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Posted July 02, 2002 - 07:50 PM
Now I'm a novice learning the finer points.
This particular set of corners is about a 75 meter oval. I practice making loops. The two corners are 180 deg and the corner that I was useing the clutch is about a 7 foot radius. I started with first gear all the way around using the engine to break as discibed above.
As this went on I started to do it in second using the clutch and front brake. It seemed to me that it was smoother with a higher exit speed. The approch has small bumps not even big enough to call whoops.
Just wanted to know if anybody uses the front brake and clutch to regulate speed and traction during cornering or is this a bad habit to get into and to try something else.
[ July 02, 2002: Message edited by: Ranger_426F ]
Posted July 02, 2002 - 08:02 PM
"Clutch use is clutch abuse"
if the clutch is needed because you're going so slow you're gonna stall it, then by all means use the clutch. but these machines will make power without the clutch, just roll it on instead of feathering the clutch.
Posted July 03, 2002 - 02:35 AM
Posted July 03, 2002 - 02:48 AM
I think you have the correct method for testing what will work for you, but the Clutch Abuse I cant handle that one
Instead of using the clutch short shift or keep the bike in the same gear as you went in. Gradually accelerating out of the corner is the proper method.
On a thumper, the inertia of the bike will cause the front to dive and the back to skip around (Compression Breaking) so getting used to that and using it to your advantage is a goal I would look for in practice.
Try setting up the corners as a F1 / Indy cars do in the apex, Meaning look at the corner and try and make the straightest path through, the shortest distance is always the straightest.
Keep practicing though that’s the key, to developing your style on your bike...
One last thing, I always say this to questions like these, Go to the local track and just sit at the corners, watch the fast guy's and how they handle the differant corners, Listen for when they shut off and bang the throttle.
You learn alott for watching
[ July 03, 2002: Message edited by: E.G.O.**** ]
Posted July 03, 2002 - 03:40 AM
I dont think it is bad, I lock the rear up alot to swing the bike around in tight stuff. Normally the compression breaking does this form me so I am more adept to using the comp break to spin the butt.
in my abouve statement in locking it up to spin the butt in tight stuff, Keep in mind I am also using the clutch so the bike dont stall
Posted July 03, 2002 - 04:26 AM
As for the original question, everybody teacher I've went to and most of the pros I watch use the clutch and not the the throttle to control power to the ground. That's not to say you don't learn to roll the throttle coming out of some corners but you need to learn to control the power with the clutch.
A couple of examples of why. Say you are starting and your front wheel starts to come up on you. Do you let off the throttle or do you keep the throttle open and use the clutch to correct the problem.
Same with a corner, say you come out of a corner and you're rear looses traction and you need to correct it. Which method do you think would help you keep up your momentum, rolling back off the throttle or keeping the rpms up by keeping the throttle steady and using the clutch to control the power to get the bike straightened up. If there are any doubts, go out and practice it and you should see a noticeable difference.
Another scenario is going through the whoops. How do you just rely on rolling the throttle to give you the short bursts you sometimes need to keep your momentum up to skim them. Don't think it works that well and you be best served to learn and use your clutch.
Of course, all of this just like what everybody else has mentioned are opinions, take all of suggestions you've gotten and experiment to find out what works best for you. And instead of relying on what "feels" best to you, you may want to have some body timing your laps with the different techniques you try to see what consistently gets you around the track faster.
Posted July 03, 2002 - 04:39 AM
Controlling the slide on a bike that is breaking loose or loosing trackion one must slide the body or re-positin them selves on the bike to accomidate the wieght shift when the bike is sliding. If you watch anyone Dirt Track, MX, RR sliding the rear the butt is like a pendulum on the seat moving forward and back to accomidate the slide and shift of wieght.
Sorry frosty but I never knew a dirt tracker that used a clutch to cominsate for a slide or while in a slide, one controlls the slide by power (aka Throttle) and body position. In a soft loomy track one can drag a toe behind the peg to keep the back from loosing tracktion and so on.
Again this is experiance, comfort and what type of style you have..
Posted July 03, 2002 - 05:10 AM
I do know every teacher I've went too or watched preaches that the clutch is one of the major controls on a bike. And I know I go a lot faster using the clutch to control the power in some situations. However, maybe I need to restate, I do try to use the throttle to roll the power on out of the corners and if I do it right, I don't need the clutch. However, I do have a finger on it at all times and if a problem arises, I use the clutch to correct it instead of backing out of the throttle.
Course, as you mentioned, it's whatever works best for the individual.
Hey, there is a periodic request for riding techniques on this forum. Has anybody looked setting up some kind of tip page on this website? Maybe it's a written out tips page with pix. Or even better, short videos on things such as jumping, cornering, starting, etc. I know they are starting an articles section but something with a little more substance might be better.
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Posted July 04, 2002 - 07:25 AM
I cannot stress enough how valuable you will find these videos.
Try "Cornering 2".
These are worth EVERY PENNY.
For those of you that race mx/off-road, these videos are the best IMPROVEMENT you can make to your bike.
You can buy every go-fast goodie in the book, but NOTHING will shave (more like slice) off lap times like these video's.
[ July 05, 2002: Message edited by: NH Kevin ]
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