YZ 450F preview in Dirt Rider



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  • mxaddict

Posted May 30, 2002 - 05:10 PM

#61

Originally posted by Ga426owner:
MXAddict if you are 6'8" you are the only SOB to fit on a stock CRF 450. Why do you think that your knees are in your face and against the handlebars while cornering. Maybe you just have real short legs & a real long body! No seriously, the 02CRF is more suited to shorter riders. This is why most people I race with that are taller than 5'4" are moving the pegs around. I believe this is addressed in the 03 model.
In my above statement: Yamaha, in my humble opinion only needs to address the weight issue, the starting issue & the extra power of 20somthing cc's. Other than that I am completely happy with my 426 (if you have ever read any thread or reply to any post that I have typed). & the starting drill has never been a factor until you stall in a moto. I am not defensive, but I am annoyed at the whining that people seemed to exhibit to expect Yamaha to completely throw away a proven design that still wins races & a frame that offers some flexibility as opposed to rigidity of the current Honda frame.
And also, I believe that both bikes are the 2 most viable 4 strokes for winning races. Is that fair enough for you?


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knees in my face? nope...

Listen bud, calling me a liar is not cool, and you are wrong. How many racers on open 4 strokes do you know that are 5'4" or under? I would bet the percentage of CRF riders under 5'4" is less than 5%, far less probably. In fact most of the guys I know are over 6', and mysteriously they all can ride it just fine, despite your uninformed proclamation that it is built for riders shorter than Carmichael. As far as the '03, the seat to peg distance is exactly the same as the whole bike is raised .3".

On the other issue, I'm glad you are happy with your bike, but to criticize others for wanting a better product in the future is ignorant. Progress is the reason we all ride what we now do instead of 2002 clones of the Elsinore 125. You should be anxious to see what improvements Yamaha will make, not bashing guys for hoping for changes. If they want to change to a different model/brand if the changes aren't to their liking then good for them, it doesn't reflect on you. You act like they are personally insulting you and your choice of ride by making a different choice. Who are you to tell them what they want? If you love your ride great, keep it, ride it and enjoy it. But don't tell others they are stupid because their choice is not yours.

  • Motoxjeff95

Posted May 30, 2002 - 05:47 PM

#62

Aaaaaaaaaaaammmmmeeeeeeennnnnnn!!!!! :)

  • Hick

Posted May 30, 2002 - 06:15 PM

#63

Addict,

You are a bit of a handful for the blue side IMO. Maybe you should go back over to the red side. Nowhere in his post has GA called you a liar. All he said is that the YZ has better ergos for taller riders. He never said “that it is built for riders shorter than Carmichael.” You are more guilty of the generalizations that you are accusing him of, and I felt a need to comment on that irony. Ordinarily I wouldn’t care, but you did the same thing to me in an exhaust post on the CRF side. That doesn’t mean I shouldn’t know better...

Also, when GA said:

Originally posted by Ga426owner:

Yamaha has a proven design that has much better (Tunable)suspension & ergo's for anyone over 5ft 4inches tall than Honda's.




You said:
“I hope you were joking...that statement is ridiculous.”

Addict, that is by no means a rididculous statement. It may be incorrect in your opinion, but how is it ridiculous to opine that YZ suspension is better, and that YZ ergos are better for taller riders??? In short, who here is being ridiculous???

You also go on to accuse him of “bashing guys [who are] hoping for changes,” which he does not do.

I’ve no doubt you are a perfectly reasonable dude, and one who is knowledgeable (and therefore valuable to have around), but in my case and GAs I think you are jumping the gun a bit, so to speak. IMO calling GA a liar is a bit harsh given what he actually posted, I don’t think that type of attack was warranted, and it only takes away from all the benefit an experienced rider such as yourself can contribute to ignorant spodes like me.

Hope this helps.

  • Hick

Posted May 30, 2002 - 06:19 PM

#64

That "blue side/red side" comment was only directed at my own perception of the CRF side of TTalk being a bit more wild and wooly than the YZ/WR side.

I love Hondas, and have no built in bias against all things red. :)

  • yzernie

Posted May 30, 2002 - 07:20 PM

#65

The bottom line is this....it is not the bike----it is the rider. The fast guys will still be fast and the slow guys will still be slow.....no matter which brand of bike they are riding.

Ernie

  • mxaddict

Posted May 30, 2002 - 07:37 PM

#66

Hick, I sometimes wonder what you are reading, because it is apparently not the same thing I am. In his first post he basically tells everyone who says they might change brands if the new bike is not much different that they are stupid...

"Man, a lot of you sound like those friggin whiners from the CRF side. Go buy the Red bike, you will fit in fine over there! What the hell is wrong with the current design? "

If that was me he was talking to I'd be insulted, as I can make up my own mind on what I want and I'm sure they can too. Nobody else stood up to point it out so I did, I can take the heat.

Next he made the claim that the Yamaha was universally a better bike for anyone over 5'4" tall, not 'has better ergos for taller riders'.

"Yamaha has a proven design that has much better (Tunable)suspension & ergo's for anyone over 5ft 4inches tall than Honda's."

Huh? Most ALL riders of this size bike are over 5'4" tall, and that statement IS ridiculous. If you can't see that I don't know what to tell you. Having personal experience being over 5'4" and riding a CRF I pointed out the inaccuracy of that statement in my experience. I never commented on the suspension except to say that it was all personal preference, perhaps you missed that part.

I also never called him a liar, I don't know where you got that. As far as him calling me a liar, I took the 'If you are 6'8"' as a questioning of my truthfulness. If that is not how it was meant he can certainly tell me.

As far as what I 'did' to you or to him, I only called you on what you and he actually said, since most of us on here are not mind readers that is all we have to work with. Once you explained your complete thoughts on the subject at hand I told you we were in agreement.

And hey, I was taking it easy over here, you should know. :)

  • mxaddict

Posted May 30, 2002 - 07:43 PM

#67

And I for one hope the new YZ is bad-a$$, starts when you look at the kickstarter, is light as all get-out and faster than he!!. When it comes to bikes I am color blind, and have ridden the best thing I could get my hands on at the time, including the bike that got me more trophies than any other, a 1997 YZ125.

  • Ga426owner

Posted May 31, 2002 - 04:14 AM

#68

MXAddict it is apparent to me that you are super sensative and I am sorry, but from your picture that you gracefully share with us, your knees are very high & close to your face, especially when you sit on the seat, due to the ergo's of your red bike. I am truthfully sorry, you are not a liar as I am no liar. Your legs are as long as my best friend who rides/races your same bike. His complaint is the fact that coming off of a 426 the 450 feels cramped. Many CRF owners have relocated their pegs. I believe this to be true & you my friend are in denial for whatever reason, and I really do not give a Crap. I also am not bashing anyone for wanting a complete makeover on the current design 426. But, if you know anything about the history of Yamaha what works & wins & dominates the class, they usually will not completely change....ie..the aluminum frame issue as well as going to bladder forks(yuk). The frame will probably not happen this year although I thought a new design motor might, doesn't look like that will happen either - probably because the current motor has proved to be very reliable. So again I stick to my opinion that the current overall design of the 426 is awesome, except for the weight -- which for your info is being scaled down by new casting processes, an automatic decompression system for better/easier starting & finally more cc's. I hope better braking is a possibility. So, get your panties unwadded, no one, especially me is attacking or insulting anyone & I hope that this ends the whining & bickering..I am more interested in possible rumors on the new 450. MXAddict we are all riders & racers & I respect you as I would hope you would respect me. Happy roosting brother!

  • newto2wheels

Posted May 31, 2002 - 04:27 AM

#69

wow, this is a heated debate. it's almost as good as the gadget... uh, powernow device. I'm not one to knock anyones ride but if your issue is with the weight of the bike, why aren't you on a YZ250F?

  • LOOPOUT

Posted May 31, 2002 - 04:55 AM

#70

ahh can you feel the love in the air :D

I had a 00 426 & now i own a 450F.. both bikes are great or shall i say Awesome! & both have minor issues that can be addressed .. but like someone said further up this post both are the 2 best 4stk mx bikes if not the best bikes out period!!

Funny thing is 1/2 my buddys are still on 426's other 1/2 are on 450F's & when at the track we all ride & have a good time without yelling at each other that your "footpeg to handlebar to seat ergos are way off" or "your P.O.S. wont start in less than 2 kicks man what a lame @$$ bike"
Maybe its just that we have better things to do than bitch & moan when we can be out riding.

have a nice day
:) :D

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  • thumper4life

Posted May 31, 2002 - 05:10 AM

#71

whatever happened to the holeshot device?! :) lol!

  • Mark_UK

Posted May 31, 2002 - 05:15 AM

#72

http://uk.msnusers.c...TcEA8CsLRjOsKs$

  • Mark_UK

Posted May 31, 2002 - 05:17 AM

#73

my diaper is lighter then yours

  • therapture

Posted May 31, 2002 - 05:31 AM

#74

LOL...what a good thread...I was just commenting to mxaddict the other day at the track that me and him had been missing out on some good flames on the forums...well, ask and ye shall receive! :D :D

Both bikes kick butt, and for the guy that said if were were so worried about weight, why don't we ride a YZ250, well, we don't LIKE the 2-strokes anymore. We want to ride a big thumper...after all this is THUMPERTALK...not "TWOSMOKE-ACTION" :D J/K

Yeah and to Loopout, he has it right, we all hang out in the pits with about a 50/50 mix of red and blue thumpers, we all get along, we all go fast (well some of us!!!) Although it has been seen for a guy to twist the gas of his buddies bike after said buddy roosted the crap out of him on the track :)

And never assume a guy is running a stock ergo setup. Mxaddict has changed his pegs, his bars, and his triple clamps. It fits a tall rider well, me included. The bike is just plain fast, both of them are! REMEMBER guys...at our skill levels, it is at LEAST, 90% rider, 10% bike, maybe even more!

  • Hick

Posted May 31, 2002 - 06:17 AM

#75

Originally posted by mxaddict:
"Yamaha has a proven design that has much better (Tunable)suspension & ergo's for anyone over 5ft 4inches tall than Honda's."

Huh? Most ALL riders of this size bike are over 5'4" tall, and that statement IS ridiculous.


If we break that sentence down semantically we find that GA opines:

Yamaha has a proven design with:
a) better suspension
:D better ergos, provided you are taller than 5’4”

I don’t want to drag the various mag tests into this debate, but a few of them have said basically the same thing. It may be incorrect but it is not ridiculous.

Originally posted by mxaddict:
I also never called him a liar, I don't know where you got that. As far as him calling me a liar, I took the 'If you are 6'8"' as a questioning of my truthfulness. If that is not how it was meant he can certainly tell me.

And hey, I was taking it easy over here, you should know. :)


You are right, I don’t know where I got that. Era confuso. Thanks for being a good sport.

  • mxaddict

Posted May 31, 2002 - 06:22 AM

#76

Originally posted by therapture:
LOL...what a good thread...I was just commenting to mxaddict the other day at the track that me and him had been missing out on some good flames on the forums...well, ask and ye shall receive!


yeah, sometimes you just have to jumpstart them yourself... :)

  • mxaddict

Posted May 31, 2002 - 06:23 AM

#77

Originally posted by Mark_UK:
http://uk.msnusers.com/mypicture?user=4264~2AAAAFAAAEqFVmjWo76sG!z7q9r5eNRfgF6NbDgolJKZefXtVmE3XwwQ$$~2AAAAGAAAGeikU8qDrQ0yFAlWx7tkpCTcEA8CsLRjOsKs$


Where did you get my baby pictures? :) :D :D

  • BigDesto

Posted May 31, 2002 - 06:43 AM

#78

It was a 250f that he was talking about. Not a 2-smoke. Just to let ya know.

  • John_Lorenz

Posted May 31, 2002 - 06:47 AM

#79

Mxaddict did you endo on that shot and
is the picture of you after the endo :)

Sorry could not resist since me n yznvegas are buds now :D

  • Mark_UK

Posted May 31, 2002 - 07:52 AM

#80

MxAddict

thats not a picture of you as a baby,,,,,this is

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:)





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