YZ 450F preview in Dirt Rider



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  • Uncle_Rich

Posted May 29, 2002 - 12:50 PM

#41

Model: 2003 CRF450R Dry Weight: 225.0 pounds

2002 YZ426F Specifications Dry Weight 231 lbs.

This is cut and paste from there web sites

I see 6 lbs. differance

So if the 2003 YZ450F drops 6 lbs. its a wash

But whats the big deal over 6 lbs. anyway ?

I know I could stand to loose twice that and that would be free

Rich

  • mxaddict

Posted May 29, 2002 - 01:32 PM

#42

Originally posted by therapture:
...they put me and mxaddict in charge of jumping on people I thought.


that's true, so here goes...

Originally posted by Ga426owner:
What the hell is wrong with the current design? Not a damn thing except some weight, starting issue & maybe another needed 24cc's.


LOL....is that all? Why shouldn't these guys want Yamaha to fix those issues? Do you have something against the bike being lighter, easier to start and faster or are you just highly sensitive and defensive?

Originally posted by Ga426owner:
Yamaha has a proven design that has much better (Tunable)suspension & ergo's for anyone over 5ft 4inches tall than Honda's.


I hope you were joking...that statement is ridiculous. I happen to be just slightly over 5'4", 5'20" to be exact(6'8" for those short on the math skills), and I am much more comfortable on the Honda in stock trim, mostly due to the unmovable solid top clamps on the Yamaha that have the bars in my lap. Both bikes can easily be made to fit a taller rider, and you won't find many taller than me. As far as suspension goes, that all depends on the individual rider and how closely the stock setup matches their size/ability.

Originally posted by Uncle Rich:
Model: 2003 CRF450R Dry Weight: 225.0 pounds

2002 YZ426F Specifications Dry Weight 231 lbs.

This is cut and paste from there web sites

I see 6 lbs. differance

So if the 2003 YZ450F drops 6 lbs. its a wash


Yes, but if you would actually check the running weight and stop reading meaningless ad copy you would know that the CRF hits the track at 234 and the YZF at 249...15 lbs. difference.

  • therapture

Posted May 29, 2002 - 01:44 PM

#43

Originally posted by mxaddict:


Yes, but if you would actually check the running weight and stop reading meaningless ad copy you would know that the CRF hits the track at 234 and the YZF at 249...15 lbs. difference.


I agree! The YZF DOES weigh alot....does it matter to me much? Not really, I am too slow to care or notice! I did ride mxaddict's CRF at the track 2 weeks ago, and I got to tell you, I liked it. Alot. With stiffer suspension, it would be a "go-fast" machine for me...no doubt. The FMF Powerbomb system, and his tall rider setup (I am 5'16") fit me very nicely.

Both bikes can jam in capable hands, don't worry so much and go ride! :)

  • Shawn_Mc

Posted May 29, 2002 - 02:06 PM

#44

The only reason I would buy the honda over the yamaha would be the weight factor. Plain and simple, its easier for me to man handle a lighter motorcycle for a longer period of time. The one and only time I rode a CRF i noticed the wieght difference about 3" from the truck. I was raised on hondas. Ive owned at least one honda at a time for over 25 years. Say what you want, but I can still go to the dealer and buy parts for my 88 CR500. Try that with some of the older yamahas. Not so easy. Even harder with Kawsaki and Suzuki's. Brand loyalty runs too deep with things that we race/ride/play with to get an objective analysis here. Just my .02

  • Guest_Guest_*

Posted May 29, 2002 - 02:54 PM

#45

I saw a pic and also talked to Mr Yoshida(yam designer) and he said to save lbs. that they wer making the gas tank 1pint instead of 2.2 gallons.
Also they were putting helium in the forks to put a little negative downforce on the front end of the yz449f 03' !!!!!! :)

  • mxaddict

Posted May 29, 2002 - 03:47 PM

#46

Originally posted by THUMPIN' ROCK HUCKER:
I saw a pic and also talked to Mr Yoshida(yam designer) and he said to save lbs. that they wer making the gas tank 1pint instead of 2.2 gallons.


That should work out well, as it will run out of fuel just about the time most regular Joe's like us pump up and need oxygen anyway! On that kinda' kidding note...

as far as the weight thing goes, for amateurs running 5 lap moto's the extra weight shouldn't be a big deal, I never once got off a 426 and thought the weight was holding me back. BUT, if it can be lighter then all the better, because the bike is easier to handle, less tiring if you do ride for long periods of time and feels more nimble and controllable. Last time I checked those were all things I looked for in a bike.

  • mxaddict

Posted May 29, 2002 - 03:52 PM

#47

Originally posted by therapture:
I am too slow...



haha!...he's lying

Originally posted by therapture:
Both bikes can jam in capable hands, don't worry so much and go ride!


He's not lying.

  • John_Lorenz

Posted May 30, 2002 - 01:56 AM

#48

Thumpin Rock Shuckster
Thats a lie
I have the only two Photons of the 03 yz. These were given to me by a friend who new someone, that had this girl friend that was a hooker, that worked in Japan next to the house of Mr Yoshida(yam designer). First Picture is a secret test ground with secret test riders Dougish Dubacinstan
and his Factory Mechanic
The Second Picture is the Exclusive Euro Style yz for Europe.
Notice how they tried to disquize the bike with the 350 stickey Hay we know better
Posted Image
2nd Photon
Posted Image

The Ego has the connections

[ May 30, 2002: Message edited by: EgoAhole ]

  • gonzo

Posted May 30, 2002 - 02:49 AM

#49

Ego those are soooo funny. Not as funny as your bail though sorry.

  • MGR_8

Posted May 30, 2002 - 03:19 AM

#50

One thing to keep in mind regarding the pic's (I haven't seen them)in Dirt Bike is Yamaha is not going to release final version prior to the dealer show. Remember last year when the mags were showing pics of the 02's, the 125/250 looked just like the 01. Surprised everyone when the real bike showed up.

IMO, this is a BIG year for Yamaha, Honda stole a lot of their thunder and they want it back. Dubach said that this bike has been running for two years. Probaly could have been release last year, but why when Honda was going ot release the 450. Marketing my friends!

My guess for the 03: It will weight under 240 wet. The cool iginition that everyone wants now...it will be on it....why do you think Dubach was so vage with the mags. The plastic will look similar to the 02 125/250. Dubach said that they are going to try to run the 450 production with the 250...it would make sense for the plastic (shrouds)be the same. Auto decompression...this one is a must. Before everyone goes off...I can start my 426 pretty easy, but it would be nice not to have to go thru the "drill". No daught it will be a 450. And I am sure it will come with BNG!

I for one can't wait to see the new bike. I think it is going to just kill the CRF450. At least I hope so. Can't see myself riding RED.

Time will tell. Until then, I am going to love every minute I get to ride!

Later,
MRG8

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  • yzboy

Posted May 30, 2002 - 03:24 AM

#51

ego, thats a real good picture of you with the leather jacket. (your the man, you can always count on you to spice things up.) :) :D :D :D

  • John_Lorenz

Posted May 30, 2002 - 03:35 AM

#52

HEY :D

Im just trying to help darn it
Ok Gonzo so you can jump, anyone can edit a picture these days :D

yzboy That aint me :D :D
Thats my Evial Twin Udder :D

I dont get it, I thik you guys are picking on me :D
:) :D

  • Ga426owner

Posted May 30, 2002 - 04:23 AM

#53

MXAddict if you are 6'8" you are the only SOB to fit on a stock CRF 450. Why do you think that your knees are in your face and against the handlebars while cornering. Maybe you just have real short legs & a real long body! No seriously, the 02CRF is more suited to shorter riders. This is why most people I race with that are taller than 5'4" are moving the pegs around. I believe this is addressed in the 03 model.
In my above statement: Yamaha, in my humble opinion only needs to address the weight issue, the starting issue & the extra power of 20somthing cc's. Other than that I am completely happy with my 426 (if you have ever read any thread or reply to any post that I have typed). & the starting drill has never been a factor until you stall in a moto. I am not defensive, but I am annoyed at the whining that people seemed to exhibit to expect Yamaha to completely throw away a proven design that still wins races & a frame that offers some flexibility as opposed to rigidity of the current Honda frame.
And also, I believe that both bikes are the 2 most viable 4 strokes for winning races. Is that fair enough for you?

  • John_Lorenz

Posted May 30, 2002 - 04:26 AM

#54

Ga
Now we have somethng, Ditto

  • MotoGreg

Posted May 30, 2002 - 06:33 AM

#55

The magazines do know everything about the new YZF as of several days now. I asked my friend for some details but he said he's sworn to secrecy and he'd only tell me that it's basically what we had thought it would be... Which is the same basic frame and engine (only cc's bumped up to 450) with all the little things lightened up just like the CRF. I asked about an automatic compression release but he wouldn't tell me.

  • John_Lorenz

Posted May 30, 2002 - 08:11 AM

#56

Again the I got a friend

Here I go
I got a friend that had a friend that walked by a dud that was talking to a hooker (Gotta Have A Hooker), That were talking Prices. This friend that had a friend that walked by a dude that was talking to the hooker said ?

Get the Drift :)

Untill The show and tell press release, its all speculation and trust no one who says I got a friend who did this dudes girl friend and when she was screaming yelled the stats of the 03 yamy

[ May 30, 2002: Message edited by: EgoAhole ]

  • TEXAS4STROKE

Posted May 30, 2002 - 08:28 AM

#57

Whatever yamaha does,i just hope it kicks some honda 450 BUTT !!!!!!!

  • gonzo

Posted May 30, 2002 - 09:48 PM

#58

Ego... I wasnt picking on you(well too bad anyway). I was just being funny. At least I wasnt ripping on you because you were racing 80's. I just thought the fall looked funny. Dont feel bad. I took a holeshot this weekend only to fall over in a sweeper about a 1/4 lap in and got ran over by all the 16-24, and 25+ guys. I really mean ran over. I have marks to prove it. Everyone followed the same line. By the time I got out of the sand and got my bike started, I had unfortunatly had a few 125jr's hit me as well because they dropped 2nd after the 16-24 and 25+ guys. It really sucked.

P.S. that is not a fake pic. I really dont think that the jump in that pic is all that spectacular anyway. I was just trying to shed some light on yznvegas to sort of let him know where I was coming from with my experience.

[ May 30, 2002: Message edited by: gonzo ]

  • John_Lorenz

Posted May 30, 2002 - 09:51 PM

#59

Gonzo
No just kidding no worries. Awsome shot though

  • MotoGreg

Posted May 30, 2002 - 09:52 PM

#60

Ego... I'm not talking about a friend of a friend of a friend who knows this guy who heard through some grapevine... :)

Yamaha dealers get their info at the dealer show. Magazine editors get info ahead of time (like I said, several days ago) so the issue can go to print and be distributed in time. However, they are not allowed to release info before a certain date that is set by Yamaha.

I was just providing the info that I have straight from the source. What you do with that info is up to you. However, you are in no position to judge the validity of what I posted... you don't even have a clue where it came from.

Reminds me of one day I was at the Suzuki shop, more than a month before Suzuki's Las Vegas dealer show. Some kid comes in with a brouchure of some new bike nobody had ever seen or heard about (TL1000S) and wanted to know if they had any. We were checking it out, wondering what was up and where he got the brouchure... he said he worked at a print shop and they were printing a bunch of stuff for Suzuki.... maybe you guys outta check out the print shops near Yamaha's Cypress headquarters... LOL :D





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