YZ426 vs. KTM520?
Posted May 06, 2002 - 02:03 PM
Posted May 06, 2002 - 02:12 PM
Well thats my $4.26 worth anyway
the guy I ride with, he only rode with me once, since then he makes all kinds of excuses not to show up
[ May 06, 2002: Message edited by: EgoAhole ]
Posted May 06, 2002 - 02:29 PM
i've ridden and raced against many a 426, hare scrambles, and on the mx track, and the 520 will out-torque, and out pull any 426. it won't out-steer it, unless the rider gets her sideways, or really muscles it. I can turn in the woods just as sharp as any bike. Turns is all rider on a KTM. If he's good, you'll have a fun ride with each other!
Posted May 06, 2002 - 03:34 PM
Originally posted by 426fireman:
A freind of mine just purchased a KTM 520. How can I expect the 426 to run against his 520? We ride both hare's and MX.
I’m guessing he got an EXC?? The SX is only a four speed and has no lights or e-start.
The 520 is a whole lot faster than the 426, this should be easy to believe, the KTM motor is based on the Husaberg design (they are fast), and it is almost 90 ccs larger (actually a 510 I believe).
But the suspension isn’t even in the same league, particularly the forks. Now, the SX will have larger and stiffer-sprung forks, which is part of the problem. However, my friend has one size stiffer springs on his ’01 EXC and it stills bottoms harshly (w/ me on it, anyway) and easily. I tip the scales at about 190 in all my gear and am an avg. (read: slow) expert class off-road competitor. I can say that this bike would just kill me dead on an even mild set of sand whoops, even with the stiffer springs. Fix the forks and then we are talkin’.
Of course it does not handle like the YZ either, but I found that this quirk didn’t really bother me, but then I don’t ride MX. The KTM is definitely harder to turn, the tighter the turn the more you will miss your YZ, but it is very confidence inspiring over chop/trail junk at speed, even with the sloppy forks.
Finally, it doesn’t feel as heavy as my YZ, even though it is. The SX feels much lighter, and is in reality about 10 or 12 pounds lighter I believe.
But because of the suspension I’d say I’m definitely faster on a YZ. Granted, I haven’t ridden an ’01 SX (w/ the bigger forks), but I doubt they close the gap appreciably enough to make the difference. But maybe they do.
Hope this helps.
Posted May 06, 2002 - 04:51 PM
Posted May 06, 2002 - 10:01 PM
actualy, maybe its the better rider?
Posted May 07, 2002 - 12:18 AM
Posted May 07, 2002 - 01:00 AM
then compare that to the pretty much stock motor of joel smetts ktm. and to be honest Stefan isnt miles ahead of joel
infact when the 426 was being ridden hard in the world GP's it just couldnt keep up with the 520's
so i gues the fact is if both bikes are ridden hard by a pro ridder the 520 is much faster.
for the average guy i doubt we can ride the standard bike anything above 80% (at most)of it potential
lets face it both bikes are probably faster then we are
Posted May 07, 2002 - 01:01 AM
Posted May 07, 2002 - 01:25 AM
i hope its the better rider
but i guess its the better bike...
and most of the accessories i have on my bike are not making it faster ...
Posted May 07, 2002 - 02:14 AM
Drag racing on soft dirt or hard pack, the bikes are even. In deep, soft sand his KTM is a bit faster which is understandable. There's no replacement for displacement.
My Dad and I weigh about the same, but he has more experience. We also run the same brand and size tires. We've switched bikes, just to make sure the results aren't due to skill and had the same results.
On a track, I think the KTM motor gives it an advantage for clearing jumps, but not landing from them. The suspension, like everyone says, needs some work. In an open outdoor situation where you're flying really fast everywhere, I don't think you can get much better than a 520 with a steering stabilizer. On tight trails, it's easier to keep the 426's powerband there but the KTM's magic button makes stalling easy to deal with.
Personally, I don't like KTM's parts availability or the front fender they use. (we all know what they look like ) What I do love is the E-start, trick parts that come stock, and easy maintenance. Not to mention all that torque!
I haven't ridden on or with a 520 SX but I'm sure the results would be very similar.
My 426 is awesome. I would, however, love to have a KTM 520 as a <u>second</u> bike.
Posted May 07, 2002 - 03:16 AM
I guess thats good
Yeah, my dad has a 426, obviously, I have the 520SX.
Agreed, the suspention needs stiffened up tremendously, but after that, it works great, and doesn't slow you down. The 520 is not the slug everyone seems to think it is. Like I mentioned in my previous post, you can turn a KTM just as tight as ANY bike, it just requires a little more muscle. I've almost had my handlebars dragging already through some berms, so believe me, she'll turn. She does headshake a bit though. So, if you are on a fast, bumpy section, if the rider on the 520 isn't willing to commit to the section, they will tank slap and inevitably have to back off. I've had a stop to stop before as well, but if you stay on the gas, she'll pull out. I had a nasty swapper in the desert at about 70. I had to back off on that one, but only lost 2-3 bike lengths to my dad on his 426, and my uncle on his 610 husky (who was not even trying....he flat out motors in the desert!) Other times, just stay on the gas, don't let the headshake scare you, and the bike will stabilize and still be accellerating.
I think what you'd find on a 520, is that it isn't as 'cozy' of a bike, it requires more muscle, more rider stability, and being a tall person helps too. It'a not a bike for a ham fisted, weak of heart person. It is a very demanding bike. I've ridden my dad's 426, although QUITE potent, and perhaps easier to ride under select circumstances, it is no faster, but I'd also so no slower (unless it's an all out drag race, or a soft terrain toruqe battle). The KTM demands more PILOT, less rider. If you ride it like a normal bike, you'll have a tough time of it, and feel awkward. If you act like the pilot of the machine, and tell IT what to do, not let it tell YOU what to do, you'll be very, very fast. It does require a slightly different riding style. Some people just are not able to transition to it. No big deal, but they get the wrong impression then of such a fine machine.
It's like driving automatic, or stick. If you've only driven automatic (yam/hon/kaw/suz), you think stick sucks (ktm)!! But, after you adapt to stick (ktm), you find out that if you use it right, it can be much better!
Posted May 07, 2002 - 03:21 AM
The KTM's are pretty bikes, but for the price I would expect more.
Dont worry its the rider that passes not the bike
Posted May 07, 2002 - 03:40 AM
Posted May 07, 2002 - 05:06 AM
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Posted May 07, 2002 - 05:54 AM
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Posted May 07, 2002 - 10:47 AM
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