update on riding and taking advice from you all
Posted April 22, 2002 - 02:21 PM
I went riding with my 4 yr old buddy and his KTM 50, we went to a dried up track i go to(very small and tight corners). Riding with him made me ride slower which i needed to get better at corners and get comfortable on the bike instead of riding to survive. Took all your advice, sat higher on the seat on corners, stood up as much as possible(till i got worn out) and rode slower and not over my riding skills, kept focus ahead of me and not over the front tire. Much better of a night, my little buddy took some hard spills but like a champ kept on going. I did much better and stuck with it. Still a bear to ride and kicks my ass on corners, feel like i should be going into them faster and not almost stopping.
Just wanted to say thanks for all the advice and i'm going to battle my way to be a better rider. Not looking to win any throphies but be able to ride good, fast and have fun. Have no urge to start motorcross and get stomped on or landed on by you faster riders on doubles, no need to worry the girlfriend either. So i'll stick with it and hopefully get better, more comfortable and maybe tackle a scramble some time in the future.
thanks all for the encouragement
[ April 23, 2002: Message edited by: 426thumpers ]
Posted April 24, 2002 - 07:33 AM
Posted April 24, 2002 - 11:23 AM
Ya its alot of fun when you start getting used to the personality of the bike. Do what you are doing take it slow and steady, Never feel intimidated from the bone heads taht will try and challange you. Decent riders recognize and try to keep track of slower riders instead of bumping them and all.
Get your routine down, when confortable step it up a notch, example: Hit that turn in third al ok have plenty of poop after to excel out, rounded ok
think whats next
As MC says take a wider look at the turn use the Apex approch on the thumper, i.e. look at the turn in a straight line meaning how would I enter and exit keeping the apex of the turn as straight as I can.
Walk the turns you have trouple with, Walk the entry to the exit picking what you would think is the fastest path through.
Sit at the turns / jumps so on and watch other riders good / bad go through it, You learn alot watching.
I just got my best lil buddett a xr 70 so she is stoked and already ripping up the back yard
Posted April 24, 2002 - 02:50 PM
are you guys braking alot before the turns and hitting them slow then rolling on the throttle half way through and nailing it on the way out or are you taking them pretty hard going in and out?
corners are my worst riding skill, especially when it's soft sand in the corner
Posted April 24, 2002 - 03:56 PM
Posted April 24, 2002 - 05:53 PM
Keep your head level while turning it as far behind you as possible as you enter the turn. Look at the spot you want to be after the corner.
This may not always work and you need to be aware of any ruts, rocks, etc in your path, so try to visually "draw" the line you want your bike to follow.
What kind of terrain and tires are you running?
Have you raised the forks in the triple clamps?
Posted April 25, 2002 - 03:14 AM
live in florida so most of the terrain is sandy, i try to find hard spots to ride especially after it rains.
how does raising the clamps help out, and what do i have to do to set it right?
Posted April 25, 2002 - 05:34 AM
Posted April 25, 2002 - 12:05 PM
Posted April 25, 2002 - 04:59 PM
Get some soft terrain/sand oriented tires, man!
I promise you that's at least HALF
of your problem.
I'm not a geometry expert, but raising the forks will make the bike steer quicker by virtue of decreased rake. Also it transfers the weight bias ever so slightly to the front allowing the front tire to receive just a tad more traction. If you're a fast sand rider, this may not be all the great because you'll be looking for more stability and a lighter front end (to avoid wash out). All I can say is try it out, you can always move it back..
Posted April 26, 2002 - 03:28 AM
As for the tires, i'll know to change them as soon as i need new ones. Because of $$ right now i can't go out and buy the best tire for my riding. So i guess i'll try to look at it this way, if i can get good in the soft sand turns with these tires , it will be that much easier when i get the right tires.
what is the best tires for semi hard to soft sand riding?
Posted April 26, 2002 - 05:13 AM
[ April 26, 2002: Message edited by: dirtdad ]
Posted April 26, 2002 - 05:25 AM
By the way, I raised my forks 7mm above the triple clamp to bite a little bit better in the corners. This helps with more weight transfer to front tire. My Physics text book says that the friction force (F) equals the normal force (N)times the static coefficient of friction (u) (F=uN). Friction factor is a constant assuming the tire is not sliding. If the tire slides, our friction force drecreases because our friction factor goes from static to kinetic, which is roughly 20-40% less, which is bad for us guys trying to turn our YZs! So the best way to increase the friction force so our bikes don't under steer (front end slide out) is to increase the normal force (N), which is done by more weight transfer to the front tire. The best way to do this is to brake hard with the front brake while the bike is upright and not leaned over in a corner. Braking hard with the front brake while leaned over is bad because your contact patch is much less, so do all of your braking before the turn (actually, this is a simplified view, other forces come into play when you turn) Also, using the front brake has a side benefit because you can use it slide your body forward on the bike, rather than pulling yourself forward with the bars. This uses less energy which is good for us guys who are no longer in their twenties and don't have as much energy to expend. Blame it on having a 7-5 job sitting behind a computer and a really good caffeteria, love them donuts...
Now put the theory to practice!
Posted April 26, 2002 - 06:23 AM
Posted April 26, 2002 - 09:17 PM
Actually I didn't see your reply, so I wasn't replying to your advice on draging the front (and rear) while going through the turn. I think you are correct that dragging the brakes a little bit through a turn does help to settle the bike down, I like the technique also. My point was to do all of the braking to srub of speed before you enter the turn. Sorry about the confusion!!!
Posted April 26, 2002 - 10:33 AM
Posted April 26, 2002 - 10:36 AM
Turn right Crash
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get back up
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