wr450 or wait for crf450x?
Posted March 11, 2004 - 07:51 PM
my question is for those who own the wr450 whats your thoughts are on it? what do you like the most and what is or was the things you don't like and are going to change?
how many of you are going to trade in for the crf450x once it comes out?
thanks for your thoughts and opinions and it will be passed to my friend.
Posted March 11, 2004 - 08:27 PM
1. Yamaha is proven to be the most reliable enduro mashine of this class. I have wr426 with 20000km/12000ml on it without changind even piston rings!
2. Honda are great bikes, but never get first year production bike. It allways has problems!
3. Yamaha dealer over here is better.
Also honda must solve so mony issues converting from R to X.
I now have wr450 2004 and I'm totaly happy with it
Posted March 12, 2004 - 05:06 AM
the CRF250X felt wwwwaaaayyy lighter
I would weight cause of the weight alone
Posted March 12, 2004 - 01:09 PM
Posted March 13, 2004 - 07:09 AM
I feel, unless you are in a rush, you would be smart to look at a CRFX. But in the end, buy the Yamaha.
Posted March 13, 2004 - 09:11 AM
Posted March 14, 2004 - 07:52 PM
Posted March 15, 2004 - 07:34 AM
Posted March 15, 2004 - 07:51 AM
Then when Honda has it right, let us know so we can compare it with the Yamaha.
Yea, that sounds like the ticket!
Posted March 15, 2004 - 10:03 PM
If however you want to ride in single track woods you will be much better off with the Honda CRF450. It simply turns much easier and faster, and is much easier to ride fast in the tight stuff....It also turns better on a flat track course
Posted March 16, 2004 - 04:04 AM
On the reliability issues let me add this.
Hondas do break down, I've yet to see a Honda dealership without a service department.
I've logged many trouble free miles on Hondas, Yamahas, and Kawasakis. You can get a lemon from any of these manufacturers. I've been lucky, but know of others who haven't been so lucky. I am not brand loyal at all, if Harley Davidson made a kick-butt enduro that was reliable I'd buy it. I looked at what was available and choose the Yamaha. So far I've been really happy about my choice.
Posted March 16, 2004 - 04:38 AM
Posted March 16, 2004 - 04:53 AM
Posted March 16, 2004 - 06:11 AM
From my talks with the factory rep, there never has been plans for a X version of the 450. Only the 250s.
The other thing about the honda CRF450s, is if they do not increase the amount of oil for the crank, you would not want the bike. The specs is to fill the oil every 4 hours of riding. Not the best idea for an enduro bike! especially 4 stroke where most of us like the idea of not having to carry oil with us to use when refueling the bike!!! Racing on the 450s they also have crank problems! 3 races max if you are lucky at the pro level on a crank.
Just some things to think about.
Posted March 21, 2004 - 12:07 AM
Posted March 21, 2004 - 05:48 AM
Posted March 22, 2004 - 04:00 AM
website : http://www.hmmoto.it/inglese/
Anyway...his takeaway, for the kind of riding here (tight lowish speed singletrack/woods) - gearing is way too high. He has major trouble getting the thing to climb tricky sections due to inadapted gearing
Technical: frame makes for tiny fuel capacity. How do you extend that ?
Piston: The thing came new with a piston & other stuff. Recommended change every x hours !!! Cant remember the hours but was low. Oil capacity - minimal - given wear on piston (he hasnt changed it yet) he needs to top up after every ride.
air filter - not in a housing. Directly accessible behind the side plates. Get in trouble in water and you could drown easily.
reserve - NONE - the gas tank does not have a filter/reserve built in a la WR. He has no idea when he will run out. The gas flow on/off is not on the tank but on the feed tube to the carb
Also, electrical system is a bolt on and is a little erratic. Original mx version obviously not designed for extensive wiring harnes.
His takeaway is that this may be a fine racing moto x bike but that the base design is not adapted for enduro use due to the inherent base of the design for moto x and all the light weight design built in for moto x makes for inadequate modifaction to enduro. (gas capacity, no reserve, air filter, oil capacity...
He will likely sell and by a WR !
I have another friend who bought the same bike (on order) based on his experience of being hosed on his XR400 by CRF450's in the Dubai desert. He moved to Switz. recently and will be riding tight greasy singletrack too.
I'll keep you updated on his story but I have a feeling the outcome will be the same.