Shorai vs Cheap battery?



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  • elrontx

Posted October 29, 2015 - 08:34 PM

#21

doesnt it have a backup kickstart?



  • Nuklhed

Posted October 30, 2015 - 07:11 AM

#22

Two things: question in your mind what else he can't be bothered with--oil changes, filter cleanings, washings

 

Start with NADA motorcycles and Kelley Blue Book as your beginning price when negotiating.  Some people get pissed off about it and some don't.  I've found that those that get pissed off aren't people I want to buy from, nor negotiate the final selling price because it sucks the fun out of buying a 'new to me' toy. 

 

Also, look on craigslist and other internet sources to benchmark the cost of same year/model bikes in similar shape.  I've found that having all that documentation in hand when going to negotiate sets my side as the buyer. 

 

Have a "I won't go any higher than this" price in your head and ALWAYS lay out your starting price.  Having that information in hand and the max price in your head before negotiating allows you to walk away from the negotiation rather than trying to figure out on the spot if you can live with the sellers deal.  Think avoiding buyers remorse.

 

Good luck!



  • Antigravity Batteries

Posted October 30, 2015 - 08:21 AM

#23

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  • KaToomTime

Posted October 30, 2015 - 08:45 AM

#24

Ditto the Nada and KBB. Around here it seems people on CL think their sh1# don't stink and regularly have stuff posted way above retail. Open the oil fill plug and stick something in, or tilt  the bike to get some oil and see how clean/dirty it looks. If you aren't really used to inspecting your oil when you change it this might not be the best thought because it doesn't take that long for freshly changed oil to look "dirty". I've changed enough oil that I can get a sense of how dirty "dirty" is. Though, if he just changed it to sell it (i doubt, since he isn't putting a $35 battery in it) then that wouldn't matter anyhow. 

If you are really worried about it, ask the seller if he'll go with you, or let you take it to get inspected at a dealer (mechanic). They will find all kinds of stuff "wrong" and also be able to tell you if there are any really bad issues to avoid it all together. Of course you may not get anything price-wise but you would get some peace-of-mind if it was a buy.



  • beezer

Posted October 30, 2015 - 01:03 PM

#25

I had 2 Shorai batteries schitt the bed and it took for ever for them to warranty them.

 

I bought a Anti Gravity and it looks like a better quality battery.

 

You don't have to leave a lithium battery on a charger.

 

Don't know if I'd put a 180 dollar battery on a 13 year old bike though.


Edited by beezer, October 30, 2015 - 01:06 PM.


  • Thumperist

Posted October 30, 2015 - 01:44 PM

#26

A leak down test is where a set of gauges are attached to the engine via the spark plug hole. The engine is pressurized, the supply of air shut off and you watch for pressure drop over time. Same thing a plumber does to pass inspection. Google 'Leak Down Test'.

A read flag to me is a guy who is selling because he 'does not have time to deal with it' usually means, he dealt with it and decided to try to unload it instead of fixing it. Like the guy that claim it just needs a spark plug to run.

Iyt might honestly need just a battery. Or the stator went, left chunks of metal all over in the engine and needs a complete rebuild. He got most of the chunks out and decided it was time to dump it rather than fix it.

Sellers are rarely honest, unfortunately. Some are. You have to step carefully.

 

FYI, running, with a good battery, it is worth about $1,650 +/- depending on condition.

Thanks for the info... Honestly I don't even think I'm gonna check this bike out. I started asking questions about it and he got mad... "If your on the fence about it, I'll leave it on the trailer." What a 8888 response... I think I'm gonna tell this guy to 8888 and tell him good luck sellin that junk...

But I did find another bike, though... its a 2007 wr250, brand new only 5 hours on it... and he's selling for 3500? Haven't gotten a response from him yet but I just emailed him. Not sure why he would want to sell it but, any should be worried about that comes to mind? Everything looks brand new... But still suspicius.



  • Thumperist

Posted October 30, 2015 - 01:56 PM

#27

Two things: question in your mind what else he can't be bothered with--oil changes, filter cleanings, washings

 

Start with NADA motorcycles and Kelley Blue Book as your beginning price when negotiating.  Some people get pissed off about it and some don't.  I've found that those that get pissed off aren't people I want to buy from, nor negotiate the final selling price because it sucks the fun out of buying a 'new to me' toy. 

 

Also, look on craigslist and other internet sources to benchmark the cost of same year/model bikes in similar shape.  I've found that having all that documentation in hand when going to negotiate sets my side as the buyer. 

 

Have a "I won't go any higher than this" price in your head and ALWAYS lay out your starting price.  Having that information in hand and the max price in your head before negotiating allows you to walk away from the negotiation rather than trying to figure out on the spot if you can live with the sellers deal.  Think avoiding buyers remorse.

 

Good luck!

Good info, thanks for the insight. I found another bike... 2007 wr450, less than 5 hours brand new from the dealer... Its going for 3500. KBB says it's worth 2,770.. I think that's a little low ballish. Do you think it's fair to ask with guys if he's willing to let the bike go for 3000? He says price is firm.


Edited by Thumperist, October 30, 2015 - 01:56 PM.


  • jmd426

Posted October 30, 2015 - 02:09 PM

#28

Good info, thanks for the insight. I found another bike... 2007 wr450, less than 5 hours brand new from the dealer... Its going for 3500. KBB says it's worth 2,770.. I think that's a little low ballish. Do you think it's fair to ask with guys if he's willing to let the bike go for 3000? He says price is firm.

Is it a 450 or a 250?   If its a 450 and its actual like brand new id shoot for 3 and give 3500 if i had to.  Getting a unmolested bike goes along way with me tho!



  • William1

Posted October 30, 2015 - 02:19 PM

#29

Thanks for the info... Honestly I don't even think I'm gonna check this bike out. I started asking questions about it and he got mad... "If your on the fence about it, I'll leave it on the trailer." What a 8888 response... I think I'm gonna tell this guy to 8888 and tell him good luck sellin that junk...

But I did find another bike, though... its a 2007 wr250, brand new only 5 hours on it... and he's selling for 3500? Haven't gotten a response from him yet but I just emailed him. Not sure why he would want to sell it but, any should be worried about that comes to mind? Everything looks brand new... But still suspicius.

2007 wr250F is a $1,900 to $2,500 bike.

Reasons for selling are often, that he got it in his mind to buy a bike, rode it twice the first year, once the second and it has sat neglected for the next six years. Bikes not used are sometimes as bad as bikes worn out, depending on storage and care. For example, one left in unconditioned space in a humid environment can breath in a lot of moisture and rust out in the engine, not apparent until the new owner runs it for a few hours.

If the guy emails you back and tells you he has it all boxed 'at the shippers', he is a scammer.

 

 

BTW, please watch the language. TT is a PG-13 site and kids are clever. I've edited your posts but next timeI wil not be able to be so easy going about it.



  • SilvFx

Posted October 30, 2015 - 02:29 PM

#30

If it is a WR450F (not WR250F) and it does indeed have low hours then $3,000 might not be a bad price.  Bought a low hour 2007 WR450F in Feb 2014 for $2950....guy was asking $3300.  He included extra high cap tank and aftermarket muffler along with original parts.  Mine didn't have 5 hours on it.  I would guess about 40 hrs looking at the sprocket, brake pads, tires, etc.

 

Please note that someone can claim low hours but the trip meter (not an odometer) and the time meter/clock (not an hour meter) on the 07 WR450F can easily be reset.  Some people also add an hour meter to their bikes when they buy them, but you have no way of knowing if they put the aftermarket hour meter on with zero hours or a hundred hours.  So you need to look at all the other parts to see if it looks like it really is 5 hours.

 

Things to look out for with a bike that has that low of hours?...gas that has been sitting in carburetor all that time and clogged up the pilot jet, main jet, float, etc.  Dead battery, dried out air filter with no oil left on it.  Probably has also never been tuned or had AIS system removed or pea shooter removed throttle limiter screw removed or airbox restrictions removed, etc (which isn't a bad thing since you can do these yourself).



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  • Thumperist

Posted October 30, 2015 - 02:34 PM

#31

2007 wr250F is a $1,900 to $2,500 bike.

Reasons for selling are often, that he got it in his mind to buy a bike, rode it twice the first year, once the second and it has sat neglected for the next six years. Bikes not used are sometimes as bad as bikes worn out, depending on storage and care. For example, one left in unconditioned space in a humid environment can breath in a lot of moisture and rust out in the engine, not apparent until the new owner runs it for a few hours.

If the guy emails you back and tells you he has it all boxed 'at the shippers', he is a scammer.

 

 

BTW, please watch the language. TT is a PG-13 site and kids are clever. I've edited your posts but next timeI wil not be able to be so easy going about it.

Hmm, okay. I will consider that, in the pics though it looks like he's got it in his garage. And the seller seems legit. And sorry about the language... lol that guy just pissed me off with that attitude of his...



  • Thumperist

Posted October 30, 2015 - 02:36 PM

#32

If it is a WR450F (not WR250F) and it does indeed have low hours then $3,000 might not be a bad price.  Bought a low hour 2007 WR450F in Feb 2014 for $2950....guy was asking $3300.  He included extra high cap tank and aftermarket muffler along with original parts.  Mine didn't have 5 hours on it.  I would guess about 40 hrs looking at the sprocket, brake pads, tires, etc.

 

Please note that someone can claim low hours but the trip meter (not an odometer) and the time meter/clock (not an hour meter) on the 07 WR450F can easily be reset.  Some people also add an hour meter to their bikes when they buy them, but you have no way of knowing if they put the aftermarket hour meter on with zero hours or a hundred hours.  So you need to look at all the other parts to see if it looks like it really is 5 hours.

 

Things to look out for with a bike that has that low of hours?...gas that has been sitting in carburetor all that time and clogged up the pilot jet, main jet, float, etc.  Dead battery, dried out air filter with no oil left on it.  Probably has also never been tuned or had AIS system removed or pea shooter removed throttle limiter screw removed or airbox restrictions removed, etc (which isn't a bad thing since you can do these yourself).


No it's a WR250. Like I said I found another bike. And thanks for the info, definitely helps, and I will be questioning him about it.



  • Thumperist

Posted October 30, 2015 - 02:48 PM

#33

Hmmm, well the seller sounds real legit... He said he bought it last year and yes took it out and started it every once in a while... Sounded like he knew what he was talking about. And by looking at the pictures, it looks like this was stored in his basement? There's carpet on a floor lol, thats how clean the bikes are... He's got 2 for sale... 2007 wr250 and a 2013 wr250... He said he bought it for himself and the wifey. Then they never really rode much, and didn't wanna see them sit around... now he's selling.



  • SilvFx

Posted October 30, 2015 - 02:51 PM

#34

 

If it is a WR450F (not WR250F) and it does indeed have low hours then $3,000 might not be a bad price.  Bought a low hour 2007 WR450F in Feb 2014 for $2950....guy was asking $3300.  He included extra high cap tank and aftermarket muffler along with original parts.  Mine didn't have 5 hours on it.  I would guess about 40 hrs looking at the sprocket, brake pads, tires, etc.

 

Please note that someone can claim low hours but the trip meter (not an odometer) and the time meter/clock (not an hour meter) on the 07 WR450F can easily be reset.  Some people also add an hour meter to their bikes when they buy them, but you have no way of knowing if they put the aftermarket hour meter on with zero hours or a hundred hours.  So you need to look at all the other parts to see if it looks like it really is 5 hours.

 

Things to look out for with a bike that has that low of hours?...gas that has been sitting in carburetor all that time and clogged up the pilot jet, main jet, float, etc.  Dead battery, dried out air filter with no oil left on it.  Probably has also never been tuned or had AIS system removed or pea shooter removed throttle limiter screw removed or airbox restrictions removed, etc (which isn't a bad thing since you can do these yourself).


No it's a WR250. Like I said I found another bike. And thanks for the info, definitely helps, and I will be questioning him about it.

 

 

Yeah I know what you said  (you found another bike) but the reason there is confusion is that in your post #21 you say it is a '07 WR250F and in post #22 you say it is an '07 WR450F.  At any rate, it seems that the other bike you are talking about is an '07 WR250F....and those are not worth $3500, or $3000, or even $2800 (at least not to me).  I am with William.....worth between $2k and $2500.  I wouldn't worry about low balling him.....I would just worry about wasting your own time on a guy who is priced $1000 above market.

 

Whenever I feel that my version of a reasonable market price is going to insult the seller and have him think I am 'lowballing' him, I don't even waste my time looking at it because you aren't going to get them down to a price you are comfortable with (at least not initially) The market will ultimately dictate the price whether the seller feels it is a lowball price or not and it wont move on CL and if the seller has any brains they will keep dropping their price until it sells.  Sometimes you can be there to scoop up a reasonable deal after they come to their senses but I usually just move on to more sanely priced bikes to begin with.


Edited by SilvFx, October 30, 2015 - 02:51 PM.


  • SilvFx

Posted October 30, 2015 - 03:13 PM

#35

Hmmm, well the seller sounds real legit... He said he bought it last year and yes took it out and started it every once in a while... Sounded like he knew what he was talking about. And by looking at the pictures, it looks like this was stored in his basement? There's carpet on a floor lol, thats how clean the bikes are... He's got 2 for sale... 2007 wr250 and a 2013 wr250... He said he bought it for himself and the wifey. Then they never really rode much, and didn't wanna see them sit around... now he's selling.

 

probably worth looking at but keep in mind if he paid too much for matching bikes for him and his wife, doesn't mean you have to overpay as well.  Sometimes with these deals, the wife gets peeved because the husband paid too much and now tells him she doesn't want to take a loss on selling it (and the husband doesn't want to admit he is a dumbass and wont drop his price - 10 months later he is still trying to sell it and guess what ?..it is worth even less).  Anyhow, if you have been watching the market down there you will know better than the rest of us.

 

But, just looking at Craigslist for Louisiana (I have no idea what part  you are in), here is one that is 2 years newer and the same asking price ($3500)

 

http://shreveport.cr...5289529542.html



  • SilvFx

Posted October 30, 2015 - 03:18 PM

#36

http://www.nadaguide...FW-249cc/Values

 

http://www.kbb.com/m...tedretailvalue/



  • Thumperist

Posted October 30, 2015 - 04:28 PM

#37

Yeah I know what you said  (you found another bike) but the reason there is confusion is that in your post #21 you say it is a '07 WR250F and in post #22 you say it is an '07 WR450F.  At any rate, it seems that the other bike you are talking about is an '07 WR250F....and those are not worth $3500, or $3000, or even $2800 (at least not to me).  I am with William.....worth between $2k and $2500.  I wouldn't worry about low balling him.....I would just worry about wasting your own time on a guy who is priced $1000 above market.

 

Whenever I feel that my version of a reasonable market price is going to insult the seller and have him think I am 'lowballing' him, I don't even waste my time looking at it because you aren't going to get them down to a price you are comfortable with (at least not initially) The market will ultimately dictate the price whether the seller feels it is a lowball price or not and it wont move on CL and if the seller has any brains they will keep dropping their price until it sells.  Sometimes you can be there to scoop up a reasonable deal after they come to their senses but I usually just move on to more sanely priced bikes to begin with.

Ahh, I see I didn't notice I wrote WR450. My mistake. And as far as pricing, he said the lowest he would go is 3200. I'm still gonna try to haggle him down when I get there, after I look over the bike. But, considering the KBB value is 2,770, and that's with an expected estimate of 13870 miles, I think 3,000 would be a fair price, if the bike really has less than 5 hours. I think you're exagerating on the $1000 above market.



  • Thumperist

Posted October 30, 2015 - 04:31 PM

#38

probably worth looking at but keep in mind if he paid too much for matching bikes for him and his wife, doesn't mean you have to overpay as well.  Sometimes with these deals, the wife gets peeved because the husband paid too much and now tells him she doesn't want to take a loss on selling it (and the husband doesn't want to admit he is a dumbass and wont drop his price - 10 months later he is still trying to sell it and guess what ?..it is worth even less).  Anyhow, if you have been watching the market down there you will know better than the rest of us.

 

But, just looking at Craigslist for Louisiana (I have no idea what part  you are in), here is one that is 2 years newer and the same asking price ($3500)

 

http://shreveport.cr...5289529542.html

Lol, not in Louisiana. I never put real info on any site... Just the way I am. And the bikes where I'm at are expensive... Ugh don't know why. But If I can get him down to 3000, i'd be happy.



  • SilvFx

Posted October 30, 2015 - 06:09 PM

#39

Are you in Canada or somewhere in the US?  Where are you getting that KBB price of $2,770 estimates miles at 13,870 miles?  A WR would be completely worn out at those type of miles.  My experience has been that you are lucky to average 20 mph on a dirt bike.  Those kind of miles would be equivalent to nearly 700 hours....way beyond the rebuild time.  As far as I know KBB doesnt estimate miles or add/subtract mileage premiums for dirt bikes because it is not available or reliable.  Nada guides has average retail at about $2820 in the link i sent you above.  Now realize that the KBB price of $2770 is a dealer retail price (i.e. asking price on a dealer's showroom floor for a used bike in excellent condition  - their words not mine).  You are buying from a private party that cannot expect to sell at a dealer asking price for an excellent condition bike.

 

The $1,000 over market is about right for here in Colorado.  For example, I purchased a 2005 WR250F, approximately 4 years ago for $2300.  Now four years later, a 2007 model is 2 years more dated than the 2005 WR was when I bought 4 years ago and you are looking to pay $3000-$3500.  At any rate, your call and your money - all that matters is whether you think it is fair.

 

One suggestion is that if you are living inthe US, run a search on www.searchtempest.com and get the prices of all WR250F's in you region....to ensure this one is competitive.

 

Lastly, seller is probably legit, but he has basically debunked his own claim of 5 hours.  He just bought last year from somebody used, so he really has no idea how many hours/miles the previous owner put on the bike....other than what previous owner told him.  Same thing for you, you have no way of telling that the miles/hours claimed by current owner are accurate.  Remember, I told you above, there is no odometer and no hour meter that comes from the factory on the '07 WR250F.

 

All this is not to say it isnt a great bike in excellent condition, but you need to be skeptical and we are giving you information here on the forum to help you make and informed decision and better negotation strategy.  You know you can use these price guides to your advantage in a negotiation.  Good luck.  I truly hope you find a great bike that is priced well.



  • Nuklhed

Posted October 31, 2015 - 02:43 PM

#40

thumperist--you can always ask.  I've bought and sold a number of motorcycles, and you'll never know unless you ask.  When you do ask, you quickly find out if people are willing to negotiate or they are jerks because they think that a low offer in the negotiation is a personal affront to them--those are the people you never want to buy from.

 

Can you send me $5 in the mail?  No?  Okay, thank you....(see? all I'm out is the effort of asking!)






 
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