YZ450FX IS ON IT'S WAY

Yamaha YZ450F

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  • nucular

Posted June 30, 2015 - 05:13 AM

#61

My YZ250FX starts first kick hot or cold. You mean it won't kick start without a battery in it?

 

What altitude do you ride at?  I can't start my FX by kicking from cold - only once it is warmed up. 

 

Similar sentiments here. I'm getting older and weaker and the 450Fs are making more power than I can use most of the time. I'm finding the 250FX has more than enough power most of the time and is easier to manage all of the time so it will be my primary ride especially at night and in Baja. I reserve the right to change my mind but seriously the FX is a versatile ride.

 

I went from a 450F to the FX and I couldn't be happier.  I ride mostly XC and spend most of my time in 2nd, 3rd, and 4th.  The FX has the exact amount of power for what I do.  I felt like it was easy for the 450 to get away from me especially when i started getting tired.



  • Wiz636

Posted June 30, 2015 - 09:00 AM

#62

The WR felt better and probably is better overall then the YZF for a typical trail guy. The YZF is awesome for a racer but is too much bike 50% of the time. The handling and performance of the YZF are beyond unreal but when the going gets tough, unless you have some decent skill you'll never use the bike potential. You'll never make it out of 3rd gear in normal trail riding. The power is so broad and with the flick of the wrist literally jumps out from underneath you. I also find the bike too tall. I've got a call in for a 250FX as I'm taking a step back from racing.

 

I agree with Monk on this...I've seen him migrate down from BC to wax the guys in his class here in the Seattle area.  If you're a fast, aggressive trail rider you'll love a properly set up YZ in the woods. I love my '13 YZ in the woods but even with a Rekluse I'm still clutching it a lot simply to smooth out the power. I would NEVER gear down a YZ for the woods...all you will accomplish is to make it jerky and over-sensitive to small throttle modulations, as well as making an already close ratio tranny into an even closer ratio tranny. And really, if you're always riding somewhere where you need to be in first gear most of the time then a YZ is not the best bike. 

 

I think a YZ450FX will be an epic bike! But have no illusions, it will be a race bike.


Edited by Wiz636, June 30, 2015 - 09:02 AM.


  • cubera

Posted July 01, 2015 - 03:21 AM

#63

What altitude do you ride at?  I can't start my FX by kicking from cold - only once it is warmed up. 

 

 

I went from a 450F to the FX and I couldn't be happier.  I ride mostly XC and spend most of my time in 2nd, 3rd, and 4th.  The FX has the exact amount of power for what I do.  I felt like it was easy for the 450 to get away from me especially when i started getting tired.

I'm at sea level. "Aggressive" mapping and full FMF Megabomb exhaust. I found it would sign off a bit early with the sparky and that problem was fixed with the FMF Megabomb. Bike runs excellent bottom to top. Hard to believe it's only a 250cc motor. I like it so much I don't really want to ride the WR much since by comparison it is such a crate. One other improvement is I replaced the battery with a Shorai. It cranks harder and starts easier with the button in or out of gear. Shaved some weight also. I run the bike in triple digit heat this time of year and even that does not seem to phase it. I have a WR fan installed and it barely runs unless I'm dogging it in rock beds or some other terrible situation.


Edited by cubera, July 01, 2015 - 03:25 AM.


  • MANIAC998

Posted July 06, 2015 - 02:52 AM

#64

I'll bet a dollar that you won't see a 6 speed in the 450. I hope I'm wrong, but history says it probably won't happen.



  • stevethe

Posted July 06, 2015 - 06:35 AM

#65

I'll bet a dollar that you won't see a 6 speed in the 450. I hope I'm wrong, but history says it probably won't happen.

 

The Yamaha WR450 Dakar monster is a six speed. http://www.motorcycl...for-dakar-2015/



  • shrubitup

Posted July 06, 2015 - 07:10 AM

#66

 With the mix and match Yamaha parts system, you can make any of these bikes into any of the others without too much difficulty.

 

 

One can do same with various KTM parts bins too but KTM makes it easy on the consumer and offers bikes ready to go - ultimately providing consumer choice - which is what Yamaha is doing here too. What's the issue again? Oh that's right, you're saying one should make their own like yours and if a OEM offers something that the consumer can also create then it's bad. We will wait and see on the 450FX transmission which may differentiate it further from a WR/YZ. 



  • n16ht5

Posted July 06, 2015 - 02:27 PM

#67

The WR felt better and probably is better overall then the YZF for a typical trail guy. The YZF is awesome for a racer but is too much bike 50% of the time. The handling and performance of the YZF are beyond unreal but when the going gets tough, unless you have some decent skill you'll never use the bike potential. You'll never make it out of 3rd gear in normal trail riding. The power is so broad and with the flick of the wrist literally jumps out from underneath you. I also find the bike too tall. I've got a call in for a 250FX as I'm taking a step back from racing.

 

I sold my WR450 and got a YZ450F, split the cases before I even rode it and put in WR gears. So much better for singletrack. The WRF feels like a pig with junk forks now. Love the YZF power. Like a hammer



  • KennyMc

Posted July 06, 2015 - 08:32 PM

#68

I sold my WR450 and got a YZ450F, split the cases before I even rode it and put in WR gears. So much better for singletrack. The WRF feels like a pig with junk forks now. Love the YZF power. Like a hammer

Would like an e-start though ;)

  • Summit

Posted July 07, 2015 - 11:29 AM

#69

Would like an e-start though ;)


Agree!! If the yz had elec. start I'd have one by now. That's really the only must have for me. Don't want lights and you can easily add a little flywheel weight, some handguards, maybe gear down a little and I'd be happy. I could get by with the 5 spd. too.

  • patrick2wd

Posted July 10, 2015 - 08:08 AM

#70

Would like an e-start though ;)

 

need one..

 

and as far as I know no WR has a six speed, IMO neighter has a YZ...

 

(not yet that is...)


Edited by patrick2wd, July 10, 2015 - 08:09 AM.


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  • KennyMc

Posted July 10, 2015 - 10:24 AM

#71

need one..

and as far as I know no WR has a six speed, IMO neighter has a YZ...

(not yet that is...)

No, but both my KTM's do :D

  • YHGEORGE

Posted July 10, 2015 - 10:42 AM

#72

I ride in tight woods and the 250FX a couple friends have is very adequate with very few mods. If the new 450 FX is not substantially lighter than the WR I don't see the point. I think  the serious A riders racing offroad will still go to the YZ. Physics is physics, weight is a factor in a competitive two/three hour event. In an ever shrinking market I can't see Yamaha supporting both models. Also, I can definitely see Krannie choosing the pink model, yes I can. :smirk:


Edited by YHGEORGE, July 10, 2015 - 10:43 AM.


  • Krannie McKranface

Posted July 10, 2015 - 11:47 AM

#73

I ride in tight woods and the 250FX a couple friends have is very adequate with very few mods. If the new 450 FX is not substantially lighter than the WR I don't see the point. I think  the serious A riders racing offroad will still go to the YZ. Physics is physics, weight is a factor in a competitive two/three hour event. In an ever shrinking market I can't see Yamaha supporting both models. Also, I can definitely see Krannie choosing the pink model, yes I can. :smirk:

 

Woods? What are 'woods'. 

 

An FX is going to be 9-16lbs heavier than a YZ, and 26 lighter than a WR. 

 

...and it will have real power.

 

I have a Pink bike. It's a Honda with Polisport replacement plastics.............



  • patrick2wd

Posted July 12, 2015 - 04:08 AM

#74

any news about the 2016 WR....  any news... :banghead:



  • 270winchester

Posted July 12, 2015 - 09:42 AM

#75

I sure am glad to see Yamaha address the different segments of riding. I'm not interested in the slow, gnarly trial like single track a lot of the KTM riders favor. I like fast, open trails and my WR is perfect for me. I will look closely at the 2tx and the yz450x once they are available. The straight yz450 is bad A on an mx track. A lot more power than a wr...

  • MidlifeCrisisGuy

Posted July 15, 2015 - 12:41 PM

#76

So the 2016 YZ450F weighs #247 curb. If you add #16 for the FX model which would be for the starter, battery, wiring, heavier crank to accommodate the extra gear, side stand, etc., the FX would curb at #265. That's not as obese as it might sound and is certainly at a competitive weight as is. Take about #10 off right out of the gate with an FMF exhaust, Shorai battery, and replacement of a few things with TM Designworks and your looking at a curb of #255. That's excellent IMHO.

 

Those things don't take off 10 pounds.  More like 5 pounds.



  • MidlifeCrisisGuy

Posted July 15, 2015 - 12:47 PM

#77

Woods? What are 'woods'. 

 

An FX is going to be 9-16lbs heavier than a YZ, and 26 lighter than a WR. 

 

 

Yamaha says the YZ450F weighs 245 pounds ready to ride.  A 2012+ WR450F weighs 273 lbs, for a 28 pound difference.

 

If the FX was 26 pounds lighter than the WR, it would weigh 247 pounds. (273-26).   The YZ250FX weighs more than that at 249 pounds, so there is no way that is going to happen.

 

I'll buy that it will weigh 15 pounds more than the YZ450F.   That would put it at 260 pounds.



  • YHGEORGE

Posted July 15, 2015 - 03:14 PM

#78

I wonder what they have done to the tank for more range.



  • cubera

Posted July 15, 2015 - 05:13 PM

#79

Those things don't take off 10 pounds.  More like 5 pounds.

Did you post that because you know the exact weights of what I've listed?



  • MidlifeCrisisGuy

Posted July 15, 2015 - 06:03 PM

#80

Did you post that because you know the exact weights of what I've listed?

 

See my WR450F weight loss thread.  I've probably spent more time weighing Yamaha parts than anyone.  I've got lists of parts and their weights. 







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