Mapping change for harder hit down low



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  • KennyMc

Posted September 14, 2014 - 08:01 PM


Just a fender.  The 2 rear number plates with bolts were 1.3 pounds.   The air box is still covered on the sides, the muffler, not so much.  Its like an 80s retro bike now in that regard.   Here is another bonus... when you ride in mud the number plates don't collect a bunch.

 

You don't have the number plates??

 

Have you ever weighed your bike yet?  I remember you saying momma would :cripple: if you used her scale but didn't read if you ever attempted it. Man up, put a towel down so you don't "ruin" the all mighty designer bathroom scale. :smirk:



  • MidlifeCrisisGuy

Posted September 14, 2014 - 08:13 PM


You don't have the number plates??

 

Have you ever weighed your bike yet?  I remember you saying momma would :cripple: if you used her scale but didn't read if you ever attempted it. Man up, put a towel down so you don't "ruin" the all mighty designer bathroom scale. :smirk:

 

I'll weigh it one of these days.



  • cracker please

Posted September 15, 2014 - 04:43 AM


Look at it while cranking the engine over to start.  Its one of the troubleshooting procedures from the manual.   If it doesn't fluctuate, the sensor is defective.

The tuner showed 29 in/hg during cranking with no fluctuation.

 

I checked it again with the diagnostic tool and it did fluctuate a little.  Maybe the tuner doesn't have enough resolution to show it, not in english units at least, didn't try metric.


Edited by cracker please, September 15, 2014 - 05:06 AM.


  • MidlifeCrisisGuy

Posted September 15, 2014 - 05:53 AM


The tuner showed 29 in/hg during cranking with no fluctuation.

 

I checked it again with the diagnostic tool and it did fluctuate a little.  Maybe the tuner doesn't have enough resolution to show it, not in english units at least, didn't try metric.

 

 

Are you watching with the FI tool or the programmer ? 

 

Page 9-35 of the Owner's Service Manual, Fault code #14 says "The value does not change when engine is cranking-> Replace the intake air pressure sensor."  They use the FI tool, diagnostic d:03, to see this.

 

In failsafe mode you can start and drive the bike, so it will run even with this problem.


Edited by MidlifeCrisisGuy, September 15, 2014 - 05:54 AM.


  • cracker please

Posted September 15, 2014 - 06:07 AM


I tried it with both.  The FI tool picked up a little bit of fluctuation during cranking.



  • GP1K

Posted September 15, 2014 - 06:42 AM


Absolutely wrong.  The ECU continually monitors manifold pressure.  It doesn't change reving up until you put a load on the engine, ie put it in gear and move.  Until then the manifold pressure is that high because the throttle body is restricting so much.

 

FWIW, Krannie doesn't have a 2012+.  There is a ton of mis information on this board.  You have to be careful what you believe.  Can't believe some of the stuff that gets said on this forum.   You'd think it was 1985 and EFI was a new thing.

 

Yes and you are one that is giving tons of misinformation, especially regarding the FI system. You think it works just like a car. IT DOES NOT. So please stop posting about something you know NOTHING about.



  • GP1K

Posted September 15, 2014 - 06:56 AM


Cheapest and easiest 1.3 pound weight loss on the bike.   Its high up weight too.  Are you one of the guys that thinks the WR450F is too light ?  I though people were saying its too heavy for woods riding ??? 

 

Isn't that why GP1K is using his for DS work ?  Or was it because the WR had too much power ?   Because his 255 pound 250F is perfect.   Except he is now buying a 350XCF.  All 52 HP of it.  After telling me that there was no way I needed any more power from my WR.  LOL !  Hypocrite !  So he is now on his 3rd bike, when he could have used his WR all along if he had lightened it and followed my lead.  Idiot.  Bike dealers must love him.  Best is his advice about not modding a bike, but adapting to it as it is.   But in his case, it isn't adapting to ride it, its buy another one !!!!!  The truth hurts !  Maybe if he had some mechanical skills he wouldn't be buying a new bike every year.  And I guess that 250F doesn't have enough power after all.   And why isn't he getting one of his beloved CR230Fs, that he can beat all of us on ?  Hmmmm....  maybe he should walk his talk for once. 

 

 

Again, I'd bet my left nut my DS rides are more gnarly than your trail rides. You could prove me wrong, but you're 'not allowed to share videos' for some secret squirrel reason. A likely story....

And yeah, my 245 lbs (with fuel) 250F *is* perfect for the (actual) tight woods I ride around here, for me. A 450 is not.

 

I'm not buying anything, I just bought a new bike. I've said I *might* buy a 350 in a year or so, and it would be an XCF-W, not a XCF. And it would be my only bike, I'd sell both and get it plated and it would do double duty. If I made a mistake, it was buying the WR as a single track bike. I'd have been better off keeping my old 250X, but I really wanted something new. The WR is a great bike, just not the greatest for single track, Which is why I DIDNT sell it to get my 250, but kept it. I LIKE IT. Just not for single track.

 

Maybe if you had some riding skills, you wouldn't feel the need to mod every little aspect of your bike all the time to try and make mechanical solutions for what are clearly rider skill issues.

 

Trust me, you're the idiot here. You should have bought a 250 instead of spending a ton of time energy and money trying to make your WR into something it's not and never will be. I bought the right tool for the job, and now I'm loving it and having tons of fun on it, and going way faster to boot. And you know what? I guarantee you'd be faster on 250 too, but I know your ego would never let you admit. Truth hurt?

 

And when did I say I could beat everyone on a CRF230? Never. I just said a skilled rider on a 230 would ride circles around YOU and I still stand by that statement.



  • GP1K

Posted September 15, 2014 - 06:58 AM


OMG !  You can't say things like that here !  You'll hurt the gods that be.  Yes you can richen up the map to a really rich state that will make more power.  But it has side effects !  Don't tell anyone.   Ditto with running lean, let alone messing around with a whole bunch of timing changes.  My favorite is the "woods tune" that retards the timing and makes the WR leaner yet.

 

 

 

 

OMG !  All zeros with an aftermarket muffler !   The gods say it can't be done !  You'll burn a hole in the piston and melt your stator and heavens to murgatroyd, the whole world will come to an end !

 

Luckily WR's have a good fuel injection system that attempts to keep things at a decent A/F ratio (idle aside) even when mods are done.   I'm running a Powercore and zeros myself.   It works pretty well.

 

Seriously, STFU already. You know JACK SHIT about the FI works on this bike so stop making yourself look ever dumber and just quit while you're behind. Way behind.

 

Your runs great compared to what? All the properly tuned WRs you've ridden? YOU HAVE NO FRAME OF REFERENCE TO MAKE THOSE CLAIMS!! 



  • revelc

Posted September 15, 2014 - 11:14 AM


Sorry, no deflection. You called me on removing plastic and justified it. About as straight as it gets.

And then I went on to point out the hypocrisy for calling me on reducing weight on a 450 4T. But maybe that was over your head ?


I guess my response was over your head. I was talking to you. Then you started attacking someone not even involved in the conversation.

You are a piss poor rider who thinks he can add and subtract parts until he can keep up with SUPER WICKED VET EXPERT SPECIALIST CHAMPION riders. What the &%$#@! ever.

Like I said everyone else manages to throw their bikes around and have fun on them but you seem to have gotten a fat anemic pig of a woods bike. You scoff at people for buying the right bike for the application when you make yours into something it isn't.

There is no hypocrisy since I have not added weight, removed weight, or complained about weight. I knew I bought a 450 woods bike.

Maybe YOU need the weight reduction with that big head of yours.

You remind me a lot of a friend who got a masters in engineering. You couldn't teach him anything because he knew it all. He corrected people publicly, yet refused to be reasoned with when he was wrong, even in private. And now nobody wants to talk to him or visit him because he is such a pompous douche.

Post a riding video sometime.
Get your bike on a dyno.
Weigh your bike.
But don't take it upon yourself to educate people with information you regurgitate from manuals or forums.


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  • MidlifeCrisisGuy

Posted September 15, 2014 - 12:05 PM


Methinks you are pretty insecure.

 

Removing 20+ pounds from my bike, changing the geometry (22mm offset TC) and installing a 08 YZ exhaust cam into a 2012+ WR450F is hardly "regurgitating" anything.  I certainly haven't seen anyone else doing these things.

 

And they each do make it a much better bike.



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  • MidlifeCrisisGuy

Posted September 15, 2014 - 12:12 PM


And yeah, my 245 lbs (with fuel) 250F *is* perfect for the (actual) tight woods I ride around here, for me.

 

Got helium in that fuel tank ?   Because Motorcycle USA tested 3 KTM derivatives (XCF-W and 2 FE250s) and they weighed 252, 256 and 260 pounds full of fuel.  And the XCF-W didn't have a skid plate.

http://www.motorcycl...son-Review.aspx

 

But I am sure yours is lighter.   Besides, weight doesn't matter and the stock WR450F isn't over weight, according to woods-rider.

http://www.thumperta...rim-off/page-18



  • GP1K

Posted September 15, 2014 - 12:25 PM


Got helium in that fuel tank ?   Because Motorcycle USA tested 3 KTM derivatives (XCF-W and 2 FE250s) and they weighed 252, 256 and 260 pounds full of fuel.  And the XCF-W didn't have a skid plate.

http://www.motorcycl...son-Review.aspx

 

But I am sure yours is lighter.   Besides, weight doesn't matter and the stock WR450F isn't over weight, according to woods-rider.

http://www.thumperta...rim-off/page-18

 

Got helium in yours? How much does it weigh again? Oh right, you have no idea, just guesses. I know my 250 weighs still weighs less than your 450, and it will ALWAYS feel lighter riding because of the difference in the motors. It's simple physics. Unless you're going to say Sir Isaac Newton is wrong and you're right, which wouldn't surprise me at this point.



  • MidlifeCrisisGuy

Posted September 15, 2014 - 01:06 PM


I know my 250 weighs still weighs less than your 450,
 

 

By what, 3 pounds ?  LOL.



  • DRS

Posted September 15, 2014 - 01:26 PM


only in an era of wide reaching public dirtbike forums do people like MidLifeCrisisGuy ride or even get involved in this sport,  a pridefully overconfident internet dirtbike poser, you can bet every hobby in the last 10-15 years he's had an interest in he's found a dedicated user forum and done the same thing he's doing here...  midlife boredom is a fickle bitch and it's much easier to point out and fix non-issues with a bike than it is to accept or admit that your body and brain are well past the age of learning how to ride a dirtbike well.  

 

take away the user profile, garage, and custom signature options of this forum and you've removed 99% of MLCG's motivation for getting involved with dirtbikes in the first place. he'd likely just go away and stop posting.



  • stevethe

Posted September 15, 2014 - 01:54 PM




By what, 3 pounds ? LOL.


I don't think so by a long shot.

But that's what real scales are for.

  • GP1K

Posted September 15, 2014 - 02:12 PM


 

 

By what, 3 pounds ?  LOL.

 

 

How would you know, have you weighed yours? Nope? Didn't think so. And even it was only 3 pounds less (which I doubt) your bike would STILL feel heavier riding it, which is what really matters. :facepalm:



  • MidlifeCrisisGuy

Posted September 15, 2014 - 02:37 PM


How would you know, have you weighed yours? Nope? Didn't think so. And even it was only 3 pounds less (which I doubt) your bike would STILL feel heavier riding it, which is what really matters. :facepalm:

 

Because exactly why ?



  • GP1K

Posted September 15, 2014 - 05:34 PM


Because exactly why ?

 

We've been over this. Reciprocating mass of the engine. It's an absolute fact. It's simple physics, whether you choose to admit it or just further prove your ignorance by denying it. A body in motion tends to stay in motion. Go argue with Sir Issac Newton if you disagree.



  • revelc

Posted September 15, 2014 - 06:25 PM


only in an era of wide reaching public dirtbike forums do people like MidLifeCrisisGuy ride or even get involved in this sport, a pridefully overconfident internet dirtbike poser, you can bet every hobby in the last 10-15 years he's had an interest in he's found a dedicated user forum and done the same thing he's doing here... midlife boredom is a fickle bitch and it's much easier to point out and fix non-issues with a bike than it is to accept or admit that your body and brain are well past the age of learning how to ride a dirtbike well.

take away the user profile, garage, and custom signature options of this forum and you've removed 99% of MLCG's motivation for getting involved with dirtbikes in the first place. he'd likely just go away and stop posting.


PREACH BROTHA DRS!!


He reminds me of a time in my life when I tried to make an 85 Wagoneer into a sleeper (Yes, as stupid as that sounds). I learned quickly that you either end up spending a fortune making a vehicular hermaphrodite, or you can enjoy something for what it was and embrace its quirks.




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  • revelc

Posted September 15, 2014 - 06:36 PM


We've been over this. Reciprocating mass of the engine. It's an absolute fact. It's simple physics, whether you choose to admit it or just further prove your ignorance by denying it. A body in motion tends to stay in motion. Go argue with Sir Issac Newton if you disagree.

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You can't reason with it.


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Edited by revelc, September 15, 2014 - 06:38 PM.





 
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