First, there is and has been no personal "jabs" in this discussion, either by myself or anyone else involved in it with me. I made a statement regarding Rekluse auto clutches. That position was "attacked", as you say by another. I was not "attacked", my position on the matter was. I countered, focusing on the technical issue only, and haven't said anything about anyone personally. Opinions about other personalities don't alter any of the facts pertinent to the technical matter being discussed, so they aren't necessary, and aren't productive, as all they do is cloud the issue and get people off track. That's called a discussion, and that's what the forum is for. If he feels stupid because of it, which I see no evidence of, it's his fault, not mine. Nothing that he's written makes him appear so.
The phrase, "mind of its own" suggests that the unit is unpredictable and apt to take actions at random for reasons that can't be understood. That's not the case, and that's what I was responding to in that particular instance. It's inaccurate, and contributes to the volume of misinformation surrounding advanced auto clutch designs.
I didn't say "personal" you did, I said "jabs" which he clearly stated he bought one, didn't like it but didn't try the more expensive one which may have worked better and you decided to keep up telling him how wrong he is. I am simply stating that as a mod, both the OP and Navaho said they tried them and didn't like them but you seem hell bent on proving them wrong. Let it go, Navaho left the discussion based on your continued badgering him over this, see post #46.
Post #48 by Monk isn't a personal jab?
I have no problem with him not liking a auto clutch. What I want to know is "why"!? I think it's ridiculous that people say something like they suck but can't back up that info. Or better yet, has the OP ever even owned one? If he hasn't doesnt that make his opinion kinda irrelevant?
EDIT: There you go, the OP has never owned one. How can he make any judgment or opinion on a product he's never had on his own bike?
You're right, he doesn't own a bike with one, but he CLEARLY stated he rode a bike with an auto clutch and didn't care for it. I don't have to buy every single bike I am thinking about purchasing to determine if I like it or not, that's what test rides are for. Sort of makes your opinion irrelevent as well as you have no idea where the OP's skill level is, what his style is or even how "fast" he is. Maybe he's fine as is, like I said earlier speed is a direct result of comfort, if he's comfortable without one that doesn't make him wrong and you right. He said he didn't like it, it's enough; look at post #48, not needed.
It's a little closed minded to try something as different as that once for ten minutes and decide you don't like it, too. It took me a good 3-4 weeks or better to really learn how to get the most out of it.
It is true that everyone won't like them, and I really doubt I'd have one on an MX bike, a flat tracker, or a road bike. It's also true that the WR450 is less of a problem to keep running at low speeds in the first place because of the triumvirate of a much heavier flywheel, a lower first gear, and and engine with a much better temperament at low speeds, too.
They aren't for everyone, but they sure do the job for me. BTW, I used to think I had no use for one, too. Life is a learning experience.
So based on your experience as stated above every bike you ride you buy? Because I don't see anyone letting a 3-4 week test drive happen. I know can tell you that I can tell after 5 minutes whether I like something or not with pretty much anything mechanical, it's not that unusual. As well it's a little close minded to think everyone will like or be faster because you like something or are faster with it.
You've given all of us your opinion, all the options, and told us YOU think it works. Great, it's appreciated. All I am saying is Navaho said he tried it and didn't like it (OP did as well) and that should be the end. If someone says they are leaving a conversation because of your writings I'd say you may have stepped over the line a bit. As a mod you should know that, and as someone who has gotten the line drawn on me (by you, I might add) I can tell you that's what I read as an outsider.
Edited by miweber929, January 17, 2014 - 09:26 AM.