4-strokes the end of mx?
Posted January 02, 2002 - 06:08 AM
Anyone else got any thoughts on this subject???
Posted January 02, 2002 - 08:46 AM
I guess the cost of frequent oil changes on the 4-stroke can add up. I don't really think the maintenance cost difference (if there is one) is such that it will be the downfall of the sport of MX! Just my .02 cents.
Posted January 02, 2002 - 09:11 AM
Posted January 02, 2002 - 11:22 AM
1. Two strokes are cheap to maintain? What the....? Ask him to define cheap. As mentioned earlier, you've got to change top ends often, very often.
2. Two strokes are cheap and reliable? Define cheap. Does that mean you can buy a 7 to 10 year old machine? If so, let's look at the depreciation ratio of the two stroke versus the 4 stroke. As far as I can see, they appear to be very close in depreciated value and as such will be near the same cost as a 2 stroke given the same time span. This being the case the 4 stroke will be a better value at such time due to the inherent durability of the engine.
3. It's cheap to rebuild the engine? Have you ever had to "rebuild" a 2 stroke? I did and it wasn't cheap. It was $1,200.00 to do my KX250 a year ago (new crank and bearings) and that didn't include the top end.
4. They'll have to buy an old worn out 4 stroke? That's a relative generalization. If you look at many posts of guys that have taken their bikes apart for "winter" service most claim little to no wear of the top end. These machines will in my opinion, be a better machine dollar for dollar given the same period of depreciation therefore, enhancing the value against a 2 stroke by negating the need to do anything to the motor.
Just some food for thought....
Posted January 02, 2002 - 12:47 PM
Posted January 02, 2002 - 01:30 PM
Posted January 02, 2002 - 02:51 PM
dude you already live in a 2stroke banned state!
you CANNOT put a 2stroke motor on ANY lake in the state of california. wake up!
you've already lost not only the fight, but the war!
2006 is the just the begining.
in 2009 it gets worse.
it won't be so much that you can't ride one as nobody (dealers) will be selling them for you to buy.
Posted January 02, 2002 - 03:31 PM
Posted January 02, 2002 - 04:13 PM
I am very curious about the new Honda 4-stroke jet skis, especially the one with the turbo. Has anyone ridden one of these things? Is there any noticeable lag?
[ January 02, 2002: Message edited by: sirthumpalot ]
Posted January 03, 2002 - 12:47 AM
BTW he claimed ha had talked to Suzuki and they are putting out a RM450F or something in 2003. The engine is supposed to be new and not a DRZ400 with a bigger cylinder. Anyone heard about this?
YZ426 '01 looking forward to 2003 = YZF450??
Posted January 03, 2002 - 06:37 AM
Posted January 03, 2002 - 05:51 PM
I would like you guys to check out a couple of web sites!
AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST
MOST IMPORTANT SITE!!!
Now for those of you that are saying "what the hell does this have to do with ME?" , this is what it has to do with you!
I grew up only a short distance from West Yellowstone Mt and always had sleds and bikes since I can remember (first bike at 8yrs)(sled at 10)so I have seen the progression of this BULLsCHMIDT especially over the last couple of years.
SLICK WILLY had one last jackass thing to do b4 we kicked his ass out of our house! That is who caused all of that land you used to ride on LEGALLY to now be closed!
For those of you with the rose colored glasses on that are avid Bicyclist/hikers/horsebacker/boater/hunters/etc/etc, the reallity is this.......
First they kick the PWC off of the lakes(california)
Then they kick the sleds out of Yellowstone because of "TOO much traffic for the wildlife and too much emmisions"(But not worry about the same things during the summer when there are thousands of cars emmiting Co2 and Hundreds of Buses PuKINg disgusting Black smoke for MILES to pack around tax paying citizens and forign tourists)
Then they kick out or limit the motorcycles in the desert because of some friggin' WEED! (GLAMIS)not to mention UT/ NV? /MOAB/ GRAND JUNCTION/etc/etc/etc
Then they kick out the mountain bikers because they cause erosion or disturb the mating habits of the wild african purple horned teatsy fly.
Then the horsebackers get to go to court to fight for their right to ride on the taxpayers trails because some friggin'politician stepped in a ROAD APPLE or that horse crap "transports infectious weeds"!!!
SEE MY POINT?
here is the best/worst part.
Next is the HIKERS.
They find themselves in court fighting a lawsuit brought on and filed by themselves!
The lawsuit states that ALL humans should be banned from wilderness areas and BLM trails because it is UNNATURAL to have HUMAN BEINGS and wildlife intermingal. (I agree with this partially, but only when it involves a politician and beastiality)
So there you have it. That is why you should sign the petition and tell as many of your friends/neighbors/sons/daughters/family to sgn it!
You guys probably wonder why I am so passionate with this particular subject.(not like you can tell by my verbage!) I grew up not to far from WYS and have family /many aquaint./friends that will be directly affected by WILD WILLY's BS.
WYS is the snomobile capital of the world and thrives on this business to survive. The summertime tourist rev$ only accounts for a small % of the yearly wages and living of the locals. Not to mention the Manufacturers will be scaled down directly because of this. (On any given day in WYS there are about 3000-3500 sleds avail for rent) How do you think this would affect the manufact. if they didnt sell these 3000 sleds to WYS? So even though I live near Wys and you live in NYC or Jersey or Cali or Az or the great N.W. ...........you ARE affected!
Just take a few min and take a look at those sites and especially the petition.
ok I am done venting!
sorry to ramble but this whole thing really pisses me off.
I think I will go out to the garage and crack a SILVER BULLET!
I hope that no one confuses my rambling/bitching with promoting 2STROKES but rather promoting FREEDOM and voicing my Tax paying/law abiding VOICE!!(ok ....scratch the law abiding part!!!LOL)
well most of the time!
Posted January 03, 2002 - 09:34 PM
Like Flyguitars said...."huh?"
Posted January 04, 2002 - 06:00 AM
You said in some years a kid will have to buy a used wore out 4 stroke when 2 smokes are gone...Hell i'm dying to find my wife an old XR100 right now.....Go out there and try to find a used Z50 right now buddy....its hard to say the least because everyone keeps them because they are so reliable.
Yeah the bigger bikes get more abuse but you can ride them so much longer on fresh rebuild. I think if you average it all out the money you spend will be the same.
I will never go back to a 2 stroke...I felt like the last YZ250 nickled and dimed me to death. My 426 had been humming great for a year now without any problems or major repair. I can't say that for my buddies that just bought new 2 strokes.
A 4 stroke engine is reliable...and in the near future I can forsee the newer bikes coming out with fuel injection and making them even more efficient....I totally promote 4 strokes and the technology that will come with them.
Posted January 06, 2002 - 07:38 PM
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