2002 wr 426 sound check advice needed.



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  • GIXXER_JAMES

Posted January 03, 2004 - 10:38 PM

#1

I have pulled my insert out but now it does not pass the 96db sound check. The bike runs extra shitty now that the jetting is for the insert out, HOWEVER, I plan to start racing this season in Hare Scrambles( in CALIFORNIA) and they said they enforce the sound check. Can I stuff more sound proofing in the back. I honestly don't want to spend any more $$$$ to get a new exhaust system.

  • Indy_WR450

Posted January 04, 2004 - 05:50 AM

#2

Get a GYTR factory racing insert or Baha insert from Baha Designs. That should get you in the 96 db range without buying a new exhaust. :)

  • oldbones

Posted January 04, 2004 - 08:01 AM

#3

If you are riding with the plug pulled from your stock exhaust, then your bike is TOO F#$KIN LOUD! I hope you put some kind of cork in that thing regardless of where or what kind of riding you are doing. An uncorked four stroke will generate noise complaints and riding area closures in the middle of freaking Montana, where do you live?

  • endurodog

Posted January 04, 2004 - 09:55 AM

#4

An uncorked four stroke will generate noise complaints and riding area closures in the middle of freaking Montana, where do you live?



Ahhhh the myth of sound causing closures, very untrue. Only 1 area I can find has been closed because of sound, about 200 acres in Oregon on a sand dune area next to homes and the limit there was all ready at 93 DB. Other issues cause 99.9% of closures, not uncorked exhust.

As far as meeting the sound requirement like Indy said your best low cost option is a GYT insert, that will get you there. I had a VOR tip I didn't like the performance much out of. If you can swing it, I know you said you didn't want too, but a Q system from FMF is the best compromise I have seen. You will still lose some performance no matter what you choose.

  • lbxr

Posted January 04, 2004 - 10:56 AM

#5

An uncorked four stroke will generate noise complaints and riding area closures in the middle of freaking Montana, where do you live?



Ahhhh the myth of sound causing closures, very untrue. Only 1 area I can find has been closed because of sound, about 200 acres in Oregon on a sand dune area next to homes and the limit there was all ready at 93 DB. Other issues cause 99.9% of closures, not uncorked exhust.

As far as meeting the sound requirement like Indy said your best low cost option is a GYT insert, that will get you there. I had a VOR tip I didn't like the performance much out of. If you can swing it, I know you said you didn't want too, but a Q system from FMF is the best compromise I have seen. You will still lose some performance no matter what you choose.




I have been riding bikes for almost 30 years and consider myself an enthusiast. But I am irritated by loud dirt bikes, harleys and loud sportbikes. To state that loud bikes have not resulted in closures is a little silly. We lost a Super Moto venue at the Santa Rosa, Ca airport after our first event there due to excess noise a couple of months ago. This is a loss that I witnessed personally. Had we had and enforced a 96db limit, we probably would be back every year...now likely never. Most people are biased against motorcycles and noise is probably the main reason for this. It is not myth :), it is real. Choose one: Wake up/ Grow up/ Get a clue. I could go on and on here...this reminds me of those Knuckle Head Harley riders who claim "loud pipes saves lives" :D

  • endurodog

Posted January 04, 2004 - 11:42 AM

#6

It is not myth , it is real. Choose one: Wake up/ Grow up/ Get a clue. I could go on and on here...t



Talk about waking up, you really need too!!! Please hurry before you believe more rubbish!!! You just stepped into a debate I have been involved in for sometime, hope you have your facts ready because I do.

We will start out with, show me the evidence that an area has been shut down because of noise. You can't. Only 1 person has cited an area shut down because of noise in this long running debate, the 200 acers I refered to in my orginal post and as I stated the area all ready had a 93 DB limit.

There is no doubt that riding quiter bikes help our cause with the general public but they do not close areas, the arguments are much more complicated than that. Do you want to see some facts on what closes riding areas then look at the Blue Ribbon Co. web site Here or the the Americans for Responsible Recreational Access Here

Or to follow the debate that has taken place on TT you can check out the land use forum down a little further on the forums index.

Your opinion is not supported by the facts, so please follow your own advice.

  • mtrablue

Posted January 04, 2004 - 11:49 AM

#7

please, please, please, don't run an open pipe. the gytr insert is cheap and makes very smooth power with proper jetting. the fmfQ will give better power and save a few pounds. the new pro-circuit is getting great reviews but isn't cheap. the idea that noise does not close riding areas is nuts. go to a forest service meeting. read your local paper. the one thing the uneducated (about dirt bikes)public always brings up is noise. they will run a chain saw without hearing protection but if they hear a dirt bike a mile away they grab the phone. washougal (i know i spelled that wrong, sorry)motocross has been told if they do not reduce the noise level they will not be given a permit to operate next year. we're lucky the forest service only wants 96db. i'm not trying to get in a never ending debate over this but here in missouri it is for real. i know of two very nice forest service areas closed and three hare scrambles venues lost.

  • endurodog

Posted January 04, 2004 - 12:15 PM

#8

mtrblue again go to the web sites I stated, go to the forest service meetings you quote and see what the real issues are. Noise is a side issue. It doesn't close areas. Please look at the websites I stated. Find one closure that is because of noise. Misinformation hurts our cause on this very badly. We all need to educate our selves on the matter. Hence why I call the belief that noise is closing areas a myth. What closes areas is the government making wilderness areas or closing areas because of a animal or plant that is endangered, or errosion, it's all right there in the web sites I sited. Please take a look at them.

Now with that said I have stated that loud bikes don't help our cause, but they don't close areas. Lets be realistic about what the problems are so we can confront them.

  • r1superstar

Posted January 04, 2004 - 02:09 PM

#9

An uncorked four stroke will generate noise complaints and riding area closures in the middle of freaking Montana, where do you live?



Ahhhh the myth of sound causing closures, very untrue. Only 1 area I can find has been closed because of sound, about 200 acres in Oregon on a sand dune area next to homes and the limit there was all ready at 93 DB. Other issues cause 99.9% of closures, not uncorked exhust.

As far as meeting the sound requirement like Indy said your best low cost option is a GYT insert, that will get you there. I had a VOR tip I didn't like the performance much out of. If you can swing it, I know you said you didn't want too, but a Q system from FMF is the best compromise I have seen. You will still lose some performance no matter what you choose.




I have been riding bikes for almost 30 years and consider myself an enthusiast. But I am irritated by loud dirt bikes, harleys and loud sportbikes. To state that loud bikes have not resulted in closures is a little silly. We lost a Super Moto venue at the Santa Rosa, Ca airport after our first event there due to excess noise a couple of months ago. This is a loss that I witnessed personally. Had we had and enforced a 96db limit, we probably would be back every year...now likely never. Most people are biased against motorcycles and noise is probably the main reason for this. It is not myth :D, it is real. Choose one: Wake up/ Grow up/ Get a clue. I could go on and on here...this reminds me of those Knuckle Head Harley riders who claim "loud pipes saves lives" :)


You are getting too old! Time to hang up your helmet. Loud pipes do in fact save lives. (And I ride a Sportbike not a harley). I also wear earplugs for both on and offroad motorcycles.

  • oldbones

Posted January 04, 2004 - 02:33 PM

#10

Endurodog, I am sorry, but I have to rain on your parade here. Over the last year and a half, the only two established (well known and long time) riding spots on public land in my ENTIRE county have been closed. Both due to noise issues.

I think you are believing what you read in too many cases. Both of the areas I mentioned, if you read the paper or the county's notices, you will be lead to believe that the areas were closed because they were on county property, and that's it. Uh, WRONG. The area's were always on county property and they had been there a long time.

So, what changed? Houses. More houses, and closer to those areas. Guess what the new neighbors decided? That they didn't like the noise created by the dirtbikes, so they started calling the cops to complain. Cops would come out and put in an appearance, but since it was the middle of the day, and the cops didn't see anyone being hurt by our activities, they would leave us alone. This angered the new neighbors, and so they began to "organize" and complain more loudly. Now, instead of one guy calling the cops and complaining about the noise, he would call all the neighbors and spur them into calling as well, and they added complaints to the list like litter or "unsightly" trails... How do you think the cops liked being bugged by these calls all the time?

Guess what? Now, if I want to ride, I have to pack up and drive all the way into the next county. Not one acre of public lands available to me in this entire county (by the way, it's a pretty good size and largely rural county).

And, I will tell you this, with some degree of confidence. If it weren't for LOUD bikes (which annoy even me, and I have been riding since I was 5)and other irresponsible behavior by riders that don't think about their actions (usually the same people), I would still be riding in those areas.

I don't care what reasons the greenies give you when they lobby to close your riding area, the truth is they will use whatever works. But, the reason they are lobbying in the first place is because they DON'T LIKE DIRT BIKES!!! And what is it that they don't like about 'em?

#1. NOISE.

Period.

They may also not care for the dust, or the erosion, or the pollution, but those concerns are all secondary to the NOISE! But, I think even they realize it sounds a little silly (and a lot whiny) for them to complain about noise, so they concentrate on other issues that they think will win them favor in their arguing.

Like it or lump it, it's up to you, but the truth of the matter is this. It may very well be your god given right to run that big loud race pipe cause it gives your 250 pound dirt bike 50 horse instead of 48, but if you do that anywhere but the race track, then you are doing the rest of us a grave disservice. And guess what? I can line up 100 riders that could still kick your @ss with a 9 horse, 83 decibel TTR-125 or stock XR250.

I give your position defending loud pipes on dirt bikes a big :).



Wow, really got me goin on that one... Whew!

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  • mtrablue

Posted January 04, 2004 - 02:34 PM

#11

to think the guy just wanted to know the cheapest way to make his bike quieter. on a local level we have lost riding areas on one issue, noise. not rare plants or erosion. it is not misinformation, it is fact. that said, you are dead on when you say it is the government that is the number one reason for loss of riding area on a national level. noise is just one of the cards they play. when they are willing to shut down an area just to avoid a law suit, something is wrong. we don't deal with the b.l.m. around here but the forest service can be just as big a pain in the a**. they advance employees by their degree not their experience. the people that know whats really going on are stuck driving around in ugly green trucks. every time they get more money they spend it on law inforcement. to end this on more neutral ground, if a larger percentage of riders felt as strongly about land issues as we seem to, think where we could be. keep up the good fight.

  • Bryce_Senff

Posted January 04, 2004 - 02:58 PM

#12

I have pulled my insert out but now it does not pass the 96db sound check. The bike runs extra shitty now that the jetting is for the insert out, HOWEVER, I plan to start racing this season in Hare Scrambles( in CALIFORNIA) and they said they enforce the sound check. Can I stuff more sound proofing in the back. I honestly don't want to spend any more $$$$ to get a new exhaust system.

Gixxer,
Been running the gyrt insert in my wr426, I actually like the fact that my bike is more quiet and the bike has more tractable power. A little less power is not always a bad thing. What year is your gixxer?, just sold my TLS and looking to pick up a 2003 gixxer 1000. As for the sound issue, I'm for less sound. Back in my younger years, loud pipes were cool, but now I find them obnoxious. Reason I sold my TLS, I didn't like starting it up at 6am with the 2-2 M4 race exhaust. All bike can be made quiet, most roadrace bikes are much more quiet than they were 15 years ago. And unfortunately, it's the older and wiser crowd that has the $$'s and resources to shut areas down. Didn't want to rant, but felt it is important for a 38 year old Roadracer to voice his opinion.
Cheers,
Bryce

  • endurodog

Posted January 04, 2004 - 03:18 PM

#13

Oldbones your not raining on my parade at all, but I don't buy your arguments at all either. Like I posted I have been involved in this debate for a long time. I have heard several people over and over tell me thier area was closed because of noise but not be able to provide proof. Again I don't see proof. When I have been able to research it the offical record is that it wasn't noise, or at the very least it wasn't noise alone.

Ahh a cop issue huh, guess what I do for a living? I'm a cop. Big city, took a dirtbike complaint on Friday, guess what, it wasn't noise that was the issue.

Your making lots of assumptions about things. Saying noise is the issue even when there are other issues quoted as being offical. And Castro was behind the JFK shooting too.

FOR THE RECORD I'M NOT DEFENDING LOUD PIPES!!!!! Don't know how to make it anymore clear.

What I am for is causing a realization of what the true issues we are fighting to keep areas open. Again noise isn't closing areas. (Sorry can't lower myself to making a mooning guy)

Hey if it floats your boat you keep fighting the noise issue, and watch the areas keep getting closed, cause you will prevent nothing.

  • endurodog

Posted January 04, 2004 - 03:26 PM

#14

on a local level we have lost riding areas on one issue, noise.



I would like to see the documentation on this. I have had this told to me several times then when I checked it out I have found other issues at work. I don't mean this in a bad way you may be correct on this.

The 2nd part of this argument is if indeed you lost an area because of noise, like I said I only know of 200 acres in the whole US lost because of noise and the limit there was all ready at 93 DB, what level would have saved the area?

I have no doubt that no one, including me, wants to hear dirtbikes out my back door everyday. As housing encrouches on riding areas we will lose those areas and no amount of noise reduction will save them.

The BRC is one of the biggest orgs in the nation pusing noise reduction yet they do not have 1 area closed because of noise on thier website. I have admitted we need to be quite, multiuser issues, and try to be as responsible as possible, but we also need to put our efforts in to fighting the battles that close areas and it's not noise.

mtrblue thanks for your well thought out responses in this debate :)

  • tctrailrider

Posted January 04, 2004 - 06:06 PM

#15

I have heard several people over and over tell me thier area was closed because of noise but not be able to provide proof. Again I don't see proof.

Endurodog, you have been singing this song all along, hung up on the "proof". Most of us agree, yourself included, that loud bikes are an issue. In terms of access to riding areas, loud bikes do no good, none, only damage, so put a plug in it.

  • endurodog

Posted January 04, 2004 - 07:26 PM

#16

Endurodog, you have been singing this song all along, hung up on the "proof". Most of us agree, yourself included, that loud bikes are an issue. In terms of access to riding areas, loud bikes do no good, none, only damage, so put a plug in it.



Good advice tctrailrider, please take it. I however won't put a plug in it. This is an issue that needs to be sorted out so that we fight the right battles. You must think that we should continue to put large amounts of effort into the fight on noise like some are professing to here, even though it won't save 1 area or open any closed areas.

Some want to claim all these areas are closed because of sound, I say they arn't. Show me the proof, I'll show mine as stated earlier in this thread of why areas are closed and it's not noise.

As far as me putting a plug in it, not till I see proof of noise being such a problem or people stop making statements about noise closing areas. I don't ever bring up the debate, I respond to others comments.

Yes noise is an issue, but lets give it it's proper place in the debate. It doesn't close areas and thats what I responded too.

  • Gadsen

Posted January 04, 2004 - 09:18 PM

#17

Oldbones your not raining on my parade at all, but I don't buy your arguments at all either. Like I posted I have been involved in this debate for a long time. I have heard several people over and over tell me their area was closed because of noise but not be able to provide proof. Again I don't see proof.


Maybe you should try to ride in the closed areas in question if you need proof :) It may not be the primary reason, but its usually the argument that gets the closure ball rolling. Showing proof doesnt re-open the closed area anyway, so its not worth the energy at this point. Noise is the best "wild card" the greenies/eco freaks have, keep that attitude and before you know it, its all gone, then you can say "they didnt close all the riding areas because of noise", but they did close them all down. Where were you during these battles, looking for proof of why the last area was closed down. :D

  • endurodog

Posted January 04, 2004 - 09:51 PM

#18

Maybe you should try to ride in the closed areas in question if you need proof It may not be the primary reason, but its usually the argument that gets the closure ball rolling



It doesn't get the closure ball rolling, noise is one issue in a very complicated issue of why areas get closed, but it's not the reason areas are getting closed. Tech give me an area that is closed because of sound that I can't ride.

I ride the enduro curcuit in the RMEC and TSCEC we have several races that are cancelled this year and none are because of sound. Insurance and land use problems that are not sound related. I have the EA from a Nebraska enduro that they are only going to let us run every other year now because of this. We are losing one in Texas next year because of insurance issues. The Calamity Pass enduro here in Colorado was suppose to be a National this year before the USFS wouldn't give a permit, not based on sound. Glamis has lost land to the Vetch Milk weed. Clintons proposed closure because of wilderness area. The closures of millions or acres in Utah.

I know you feel that lands have been lost because of sound but I don't see it. What I see is the above, actual closures and sound isn't the issue. Many of these land closures or proposed closures include Mtn Bikes, non noise vehicles.

Noise is the best "wild card" the greenies/eco freaks have



No the best is the endangered spec. act. Desert tortise, vetch milk weed, ect. Has closed waaaayyyyy more area than noise complaints.

keep that attitude and before you know it, its all gone,



Exactly why I argue this point because if we keep believing that noise is the issue we will continue to loose area. The enviros would love us to focus on this issue while they beat us to death with endanger spec, new wilderness areas, and errosion issues.

Yes sound is an issue in the big picture, I admit that but again there is no proof of closures because of sound issues. Other issues there is a ton. We should work to keep our sound down. Notice in my orginal post to all of this I state I have a VOR tip and a Q FMF for my bike. Hey it's being a responsible multiuser of our public lands. But I also understand just what I am accomplishing with this.

Tech thanks for the intelligent post without the personal attacks. :) It adds to a discussion of issues that I feel needs to take place among all users of public lands.

  • lbxr

Posted January 04, 2004 - 09:57 PM

#19

Endurodog, I dont think you are listening/reading. I mentioned a local venue we lost on our very first race due to noise. I am sure that many of the people on this forum can recall losing local riding areas because of noise. And I mean public or private or legal or not. When I was a kid you could ride a dirtbike just about anywhere and have few hassles. Not anymore. The area we lost a couple of months ago was at the Sonoma County airport on top of a closed county dump/landfill. The area is used a couple of times a week by local law enforcement puruit/skills training and a couple of times a month by a Porche club and some scca club. We ran one 2 day super moto event. No bikes running before 9 or 10 am, none after 5 pm. The airport/county loved having us there, we ran a tight ship and cleaned the site thoroughly. We have a great rapport with the airport service workers who chaperoned our event. The airport charged us $1000 a day. There were a few noise complaints to the airport manager. This would not be too much of a problem as he explained to complainers that; "It is only once a year, the hours are restricted, the site is used frequently by other motorsport enthusiasts, etc, thanks for your call" AND SWEEP IT UNDER THE CARPET! So far we are good to go for next year. Then the plot thickens, and since you are a cop I will try and keep it simple. :) Now keep in mind a airport is a pretty noisy place and most of the people that live near the airport are used to some noise. One of the propertys, about a mile from the site, is an upscale winery. They did not bother to call the airport manager to complain. They called one of the county supervisors to complain. The county sup called the airport manager and instructed him to never approve another motorcycle event at the site-EVER. There are no enviromental issues involved here as this is a closed garbage dump and is used for car events 2 or 3 times a week. The porches are a bit noisy as well but they get almost no noise complaints from the citizens. Perhaps the wealthy winery owner has a Porche or two? Now you stated that there have been almost no closures due to noise issues. Well here is one that I personally wittnessed. I dont think you must be "people smart" or you would recognize that most citizens do NOT appreciate motorcyclists. Even though they know almost nothing about bikes, have never ridden one, they do know that THEY DONT LIKE MOTORCYCLES! The only thing they know for sure is that they are noisy. Or they scare the hell out of em (me included) when they blast by on the freeway at 140mph. Or ride wheelies in traffic. Or etc... But they all hate the noise. Some one posted about chainsaws, no problem. But hear a dirtbike faintly in the distance...dial 911. :D By the way, I assume you are not an AMA member because you seem so clueless. Many of these other (primary) issues you mentioned are secondary to the noise problem and might not exist at all or be less of a factor if noise was not an issue. Mountain bikes are very destructive to trails (as are dirt bikes) because they have a tendency to lock up their rear wheels on steep/tecnical downhills. But they are quiet and I have heard many, so called enviromentalists/tree huggers, state that they see no reason why mountain bikes should not be allowed in wilderness areas. Think about that kind of thinking when you state that noise is not really an issue here :D ehere

  • endurodog

Posted January 04, 2004 - 10:53 PM

#20

By the way, I assume you are not an AMA member because you seem so clueless.




Ibex to start with I am an AMA member, COHVCO member and I contribute to the Colorado 500 Legal defense fund (fights trail closures in Colorado). I'm also a board member of the RMEC. So who would be the clueless one here? but since I'm a little more reasonable than you I'll wait to hear your involvement and support of the sport. Which leads to my next point.

First off the venue you discribe is not related to dirtbikes but I'll play along. It sounds like there are other issues at work here. You state that other races take place with noisy vehicles but those do not face opposition. So is noise really the issue or is their other issues here? And again, lets see some proof. I know you hate that as you would rather spout off on what you believe the ills of the world are, with your assuming I'm not an AMA member and the such. As I have stated many like to state that noise is the problem without giving any support of their conclusion. With your attitude and all forgive me if I don't believe you. I again will give plenty of evidence of my position. Go to the web pages I provided links too in one of my first post. Or even the land use issues on this forum.

have heard many, so called enviromentalists/tree huggers, state that they see no reason why mountain bikes should not be allowed in wilderness areas. Think about that kind of thinking when you state that noise is not really an issue here ehere


You really do like to go into this with 1/2 facts don't you. Mtn bikers are fighting many of the same access issues we are. Many of the greenies want all users but hikers out of areas, even horse back riders.

You really need to (as you stated in your first post to me) wake up. Please go look at the BRC web site and the Amnericans for Responsible Recreational Access. Both of these sites cover access for multi users and the issues that face us all.




 
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