I was talking to Josh recently too and asked him his thoughts and recommendations on upgrading etc (i have a YZF450 2010 from new) and he told me a few small mods ( all well documented) and told me his 2013 was his most favourite bike he has ever raced. He also said that they didn't touch the engine on his bike he won the 2012 MX1 Oz title on.
Good enough for me...
Are you insane? Do you realise its in Josh's contract to say his bike is the best? He has a LEGAL OBLIGATION to talk it up. And there is also not a chance in hell the engine was unmodified. If you buy that, then by all means buy the bike because you're clearly too stupid to be able to comprehend its flaws anyway.
Don't you get it? He rode one once, and that one, however it was set up, sucks, so they all do. Really very simple. Let him have his opinion if he wants it.
Yeah, its completely crazy to ride a YZ450F, hate it, and as a result of that hate assume that I hate all the other several thousand, IDENTICAL production bikes. You just got 100 intelligence points, go here to claim your prize: http://niceone.com
You can pick up the tuners for $199 new or less if you get one used. That is less than any exhaust pipe, cams, or engine mods that most people do to their bikes.
I find it quite amazing that you were able to definitively conclude without a doubt that the YZ450F has all of these handling issues with one simple ride on a bike that was not set up for you. How do we know that the front tire that was on that bike was meant for the terrain you were riding on? How do we know if the suspension was set for you? Sag? Spring rate? Valving? Not a single person in the world can jump on a bike and take it for a spin without adjusting anything and determine anything meaningful about the handling of that bike.
My god... An intelligent post on thumepr talk. I salute you. NO sarcasm, I liekd your post. Response time:
That is $200 that shouldn't have to be spent to get the powerband of the bike less retarded.
the bike I rode was 100% stock, including the tyres. In fact I put the first scratch on it (sorry Tom). If I remember correctly, they come with 404s. Interemdiate to hard, whcih is exactly what this track was. I've found SSS (Seriously Slick Shit) To be, not only kick arse right out of hte box, but much more flexible in terms of rider weight. I'd be a good 20 pounds over hte weight recommendation, so the first thing I thought of after 3 laps on this freight train of a bike (it couldn't turn unless it was on rails), was that I had much too much sag. Got back, had the owner measure it, 103mm by memory, nothing like enough to cause the understeer in the degree I'm talking about.
I've never ridden a four stroke motocross bike that felt so wrong so quickly. Its handling characteristics were directly opposed to eachother: Lightweight front end on a four stroke. Four strokes are supposed to handle front end heavy, yet this thing felt like I was on a 250 two stroke. Very, very bad.
Thats my 100% unbiased experience. I did not spend a cent on this bike. If you fork out about 10 grand for a bike, are you gonna be chomping at the bit to acknowledge all of its flaws? No is the answer. Whether you realize it or not your brain is deliberately ignoring things lead you to the conclusion your bike is a piece of shit.
You misunderstood me, Yamaha has won the Mx1 class in Aussie the last 5 years and the fact you come from Aussie I would assume you would be in touch with this fact.
As far as the $200,000 thing, the team ( CDR ) would have no problem spending that and more on their campaign . The bikes not so, I know the 2012 champion quite well, you know ....Josh Coppins , the New Zealander. You would be surprised at how little the bikes actually had done to them, the motors are strong, the handling needs refinement for a rider at that level.
You are of course entitled to your opinion.
My opinion is based on real world facts and long term ownership , both of which will depict an educated overview.
Yeah, sure you know Josh. No really, I believe that you know a million air professional factory rider personally
Lets see I'll do this one quickly: The motors really aren't all that strong, they have little midrange, a good handling bike is a good handling bike thats really all there is to it, and your long term ownership is exactly what renders your point of view 100% mute (see above).
If you seriously believe your 2010-2013 YZ450F handles well, ride it back to back with an RMZ set up for someone similar to you, see what you think of it then.