My WR450 25 pound trim off...

[SteveThe Snakes]

I'm jealous.

Most of my buddies ride the couch these days so I'm on my own.

Isn't the dust a problem out there with the drought you're having?

It was dusty x 2

[FORMA MOTO]

While I certainly appreciate the invite, when I read stuff like "Remember this is a riders ride so a 450 is best or you gotta be real real good." I have to just shake my head and laugh. But then I took a few moments to try and think what exactly that would look like. As in, what kind of terrain would it take for the bike to truly matter more than rider, and where a 250F would actually struggle vs a 450? And I came up with 4 scenarios: (1) Wide-open flat-out desert. (2) Deep sand and lots of it. (3) A huge monster hill that just goes straight up up up and you just aim your bike at it, pin it, and hang on. (4)  Fast smooth groomed fire roads

 

So any of those scenarios what you're talking about? I'm not trying to be a dick here, I'm seriously struggling to think of anywhere other than what I described where a 250F would ever be a limiting factor?

 

 

You forgot fat. As in fatty fat fat, or just a really large guy, or both.  Then power is KEY.

[revelc]

You forgot fat. As in fatty fat fat, or just a really large guy, or both. Then power is KEY.

I'm not fat but I agree. I'm 6'3" and 220 pounds. The extra oomph of the 450 has gotten me over more logs and last second ledges than 250 I used to ride.

2014 WRR-R.I.Pieces

2012 WR450F-Stolen

[GP1K]

You forgot fat. As in fatty fat fat, or just a really large guy, or both.  Then power is KEY.

 

I'm fatty fat (260 lbs) right now and my 250F pulls me up anything & everything no problem. *shrug* 

 

That said, yesterday one of my buddies got a flat on his WR450, and I rode back to the staging area on the fire roads with him as I had a GPS and knew the way back. At 5000 or so feet elevation, 4th and 5th gear pulling up some of the hills was somewhat less than exciting. It would do it no problem, and be accelerating, but not very hard. My WR would still be pulling quite hard there. If my buddy didn't have a flat and was on it, I'd probably have a hard time keeping up, unless there were a bunch of corners. But these were smooth groomed fire roads, one of the scenarios I mentioned.

[SteveThe Snakes]

Would love to meet up and ride also. Anytime anyone come out to SoCal would like to ride with you guys. And would really like to see a pic of mlcg bike.

You sound like a good candidate for one of our So. Cal. Rides.

[Jonesy11]

You sound like a good candidate for one of our So. Cal. Rides.

Heck ya I'm down. Pm me anytime

[KennyMc]

You two will need to join me in Rainbow Basin

[SteveThe Snakes]

You two will need to join me in Rainbow Basin

Kenny my boy that's the low land stuff. Ya might have to kick it up a couple of notches. I'll P. M. ya when we go.

[GP1K]

I stumbled across an interesting article from Dirt Rider yesterday, so I thought I'd drag this dead horse out and give it a few more whacks. So the article is titled "SIze Matters" and talks about choosing the right size bike your skill level, where you ride, etc. Here's the link:

 

http://www.dirtrider.com/tests/141_0701_size_matters/

 

They kind of broke it down into three sections, what pros like and why, what DR's testing staff like and why, and finally they gathered up and averaged lap times from GNCC and WORCS races across the country for B and C classes for 250F, 2502T and 450F.

 

I found it no big surprise that the pros generally preferred 450s, as they have the speed and skill and stamina to use all that power. DR testers were across the board, some preferred 450s, some are 250 smoker fans, and some 250F fans. But the most interesting part was the GNCC/WORCS laps times. I found this no surprise as well, but I sure bet some of you will. Lap times in all but WORCS C class, 450 times were dead last, and tied for last in WORCS C. Lap times don't lie: if you're not a A class rider, you will be SLOWER on a 450 for sure.

 

So yeah, all you guys saying 250Fs are weak and can't hang with the 'big boy bikes' can suck it, you're only fooling yourselves.  ?

Edited October 8, 2014 by GP1K

[cracker please]

I'd prefer not to suck anything.  I think you're taking it a little too personal.  250Fs are cool.  I figured a 450 would last a lot longer for the kind of stuff I do.  I'd probably rock a 250 or 300 2T if me and my friends got back into dirt riding.

Edited October 8, 2014 by cracker please

[GP1K]

I'd prefer not to suck anything.  I think you're taking it a little too personal.

 

You know the little dude giving the raspberry there at the end means I'm just kidding around, right?

[RockerYZWR]

Interesting to me that for the GNCC results, the B and C class 250 2 stroke guys were within seconds of each other's averages (which makes me wonder how big the 2T fields were in each class), while the 250F B guys were almost 2-1/2 minutes faster than the 250F C guys. But as far as a 450 making a non-Pro slower in that kinda stuff...not surprised at all!! Like I've mentioned as well, except for wide open desert or similar, I'm noticeably faster and better on my 250 2 stroke. And I'm a C rider right now. Good find!

[RockerYZWR]

Oh yeah, and I'm really surprised to see such a disparity between the 250 2T and 4T results in the WORCS data, although I'm not as familiar with WORCS courses, but I'd naturally think that whatever a 250F can do, a 250 2T can do better with the same rider, especially with respect to how the 450s compared in those results. That was a run-on sentence that I'm not editing.

[GP1K]

Interesting to me that for the GNCC results, the B and C class 250 2 stroke guys were within seconds of each other's averages (which makes me wonder how big the 2T fields were in each class), while the 250F B guys were almost 2-1/2 minutes faster than the 250F C guys. But as far as a 450 making a non-Pro slower in that kinda stuff...not surprised at all!! Like I've mentioned as well, except for wide open desert or similar, I'm noticeably faster and better on my 250 2 stroke. And I'm a C rider right now. Good find!

 

Unfortunately they didn't list how many of each type were raced, that would be good info as well. While you may not see too many 250 2Ts line up on a MX gate these days, you sure do see them in offroad racing, plus a lot of 300s. So yeah, I'd be curious as to just how many there were too.

[MyersAvionics]

Good article from Dirt Rider. I'd have to agree with it mostly. Even the newer WR's can feel a bit heavy when you loose your balance in the tight stuff.