Electric Start 03 WR450 (yeah right)
Posted December 13, 2003 - 12:52 PM
I don't care if YOUR bike starts great. It's no help to say "that there is no problem, the bikes fine, mine always starts"...because there are a whole lot of people here with WR450's that don't start with the magic button with any reliability. You don't here the DRZ fan's complaining about there Estart.
How many others have a starter that just won't turn the crank? Guess I'll have to start a new thread. It's not my bike though. If it were, I'd be looking into it and trying to find a solution aggresively, or just use the kicker. Anyway, I don't mean to ruffle any feathers, just trying to figure out what some of the other problems are besides jetting.
I guess it's safe to say that if the engine turns, but the bike won't start, the jetting could be off.
Posted December 13, 2003 - 01:53 PM
I don't care if YOUR bike starts great.
No need to get pissy!!! Just trying to help someone..
Look, I'm not saying that the bike has a perfect starter and his jetting is way off... My personal opinion on the matter is that the force of a leg kicking the motor over is greater than the little (lightweight) starter.. The bike needs to be jetted (starter jet?) just right for the wimpy starter to get the bike fired where a kick with greater force will have better results.. Like I said before, Yamaha changed the starter for 04 for a reason, it could be that the little starter/battery system didn't have enough poop to get it going.
Posted December 13, 2003 - 02:27 PM
I don't care if YOUR bike starts great.
"No need to get pissy!!! Just trying to help someone.."
Didn't direct that at anybody in particular. I appreciate everybodies input. I've been trying to read a bunch of the posts relating to the WR estart and have seen a few people get on the soapbox stating nothing is wrong with the bike. Anyway, no offence intended to anybody, just trying to get an idea of the different problems with the estart.
Posted December 13, 2003 - 02:52 PM
For me, my bike won't start cold with the ebutton. What I do first start of the day is give it a few seconds with the ebutton to warm things up a bit. Then I kick it, usually starts by 2 kicks. Then the rest of the day it will start right up with the button.
With that in mind it works great for me. I race so the only time I really care if the ebutton will fire it is during a race and it does that. So I'm not willing to take any more weight on just to have a starter that works when its cold too. I believe this is where Yamaha was going with this bike also. If this is something that is unlivable for your buddy then maybe a DRZ is more along the lines of what he is looking for. Hopefully you guys can get it all sorted out for him.
Posted December 13, 2003 - 07:36 PM
My bike was the asme way in the beginning. I made all of the normal adjustments ie rejet, removed the snorkel, threw the snorkel, gray wire, new pipe. My bike starts pretty damn quick now. You need to break it down in painfully slow steps, one component at a time. The clickinmg makes me think it is a faulty starter, or a bad battery. one thing you need to know with this particular battery is it needs to be recharged with a slow trickle charger, if not you will fry the battery. Been there, done that, bought the t-shirt!. I would start by opening up the bike with the free mods, open up the exhaust, and go from there. The battery may register fine, but like I said, if it has been charged by any other means than a trickle charger, odds are there are a few cells fried, which would give you some power, but would drain extremly quick.
Posted December 13, 2003 - 11:39 PM
as for kicking it over I'm 6'2 235lbs and my bike only has 2.5 tires my leg shouldn't have to try that hard, two squirts of hot start is all it should have to take.
Guys thanks for all you feedback I'm only being this paranoid cause my Last vehicle was a lemon so you can understand my concern.
I just really didn't want to hear that my e-start was soley for the purpose of if (when properly warmed up) I throw myself over my bars and am too busted to kick the bike I can hit a button.
And your right maybe a DRZ might have been more along the lines of what I should have gotten for a 1st bike(learned on a DRZ350). This may sound weird but my WR (and dodging the roost of my buddies xr650)taught me how to ride. I think its an incredibly rider freindly bike and it inspires alot of confidence, sometimes a little too much
Posted December 14, 2003 - 01:08 AM
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Posted December 14, 2003 - 09:43 AM
Sounds like it to me....no offense If we were talking about an XT/XR-L trail-plonker I'd agree, but the WR is a Race-bred High-Performance machine, and is entitled to be a little temperamental. Some jetting for the weather conditions is to be expected, and we need to realize that weight IS an issue, and that Yamaha has picked the battery and starter based on that...less weight requires some compromises.
so am I just being unreasonable?
Posted December 14, 2003 - 09:52 AM
By the way, I do feel for you as far as starting goes. My bike would never start with the starter when I got it, and I was real skeptical about the jetting changing the way it started, BUT, after rejetting the bike starts perfectly hot, or cold in mild weather.( I still have to kick start when cold, but that's because it's a tad lean)
I hope this helps!!
Posted December 14, 2003 - 10:00 AM
Sounds like the battery to me, but I'd have to see it, and him in action trying to start it, before I'd be sure. It is a small-capacity battery, so if he's crashing or stalling the thing a lot and having to crank her all the time it may never get recharged....not Yamaha's problem, there.
but his 03 WR450 just goes "click" 80% of the time. Even when hot, battery charged, bike running all day etc. Sometimes turning the crank past TDC helps Lukejt
My WR sat for 3 weeks and cranked right up last time I rode her, haven't had any starter-related problems, or any others...
Posted December 14, 2003 - 10:45 PM
I don't know maybe In fouled the plug, I noticed that even after 3 or 4 miles of riding (this is the furthest i have taken the bike due to the weather) as I come thru 1st and 2nd gear I noticed the bike still hestitates even when I take the choke off.
Posted December 15, 2003 - 01:39 PM
Posted December 15, 2003 - 03:15 PM
1) It causes a lean condition and that causes a backfire and can break the woodruff key, or worse.
2) The carb has a throttle position sensor which controls timing advance. When you open the throttle, it tells the ignition to advance the spark accordingly....which helps to make the backfire previously mentioned worse!
The best way to avoid opening the throttle is to put your hand on the throttle housing instead of the grip, when you're starting the bike.
Posted December 15, 2003 - 04:19 PM
Doesn't KTM($7000+) recommend to start their e-start bikes with the kickstart when they're cold?? Seems to me I read that in several magazine reviews....
They don't even call it an "electric start." It is referred to as a "re-start" or a "staring aid" or somesuch. And in my experience you can easily kill a KTM's battery on a cold bike also.
DRZs start pretty good...
Posted December 15, 2003 - 04:21 PM
They make the starters heavy duty on quads because quad riders are idiots.
I 'bout spit soda pop all over my keyboard with that one.
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