Electric Start 03 WR450 (yeah right)
Posted December 11, 2003 - 10:50 PM
takes about 10 trys and is damned near impossible from a cold start. Anyone else having the same issues? It's being re-jetted (the only thing I could come up with.)
anyone cut the Gray wire yet? results?
Posted December 12, 2003 - 01:28 AM
Posted December 12, 2003 - 04:25 AM
Posted December 12, 2003 - 04:51 AM
My buddy with a new Honda CRF450 called me up to see how I was making out and my leg was half kicked off. He said, "get out there".
So, went out and pulled the choke, didn't touch the gas (they mean it) and it went! She sounds like it has some serious spank. Drove it around the icy streets a little bit, can't wait for spring!
I have come to the conclusion that the e-start might work in optimum conditions, but if it's been sitting be prepared to kick first. I hope the e-start is at least good enough for that. Don't know the bike yet, so time will tell.
Think I'll look into getting a battery tender.
Also, would too hot of a battery cook the electrical system?
If a better battery is available, please post the brand name and model number. If I don't have to kick I'd just as soon not.
Posted December 12, 2003 - 05:14 AM
Posted December 12, 2003 - 07:08 AM
And guess what no retrofit.
As for the bike it's incredible not that I'm a authority...
It's my first dirt bike (over protective parents what can I say?) I learned on a DRZ 350 /w a shot kickstarter (theft recovery) around july and ordered my 450 cause my leg couldn't take it anymore... So I checked out what bikes had an electric start and could handle a 240lbs rider (6'2). and 9/6 my paper work was signed... I constanly get pissed at the Elec start thing but when she's wot running up a twisty hillclimb she can do no wrong...
But I THINK Yamaha should step up and fix this. I didn't fork out something in the neighborhood of 6Gs for a novelty electric start (didn't know it was a raceing bike then)
I tried takeing it the snow (bour 8" before it all melted yesterday) I just spun it I think I'm gonna need spikes
and I couldn't get it out of 3rd (or keep it steady)
Posted December 12, 2003 - 08:28 AM
Posted December 12, 2003 - 08:43 AM
It's the best bike I've ever had.
Posted December 12, 2003 - 02:58 PM
Posted December 12, 2003 - 05:28 PM
Doesn't KTM($7000+) recommend to start their e-start bikes with the kickstart when they're cold?? Seems to me I read that in several magazine reviews....
Man I hate to say this but for a $6400 bike it should fire up with a push of the button, End of story.
Posted December 12, 2003 - 06:42 PM
Posted December 12, 2003 - 07:00 PM
Cold starting in cold weather requires 72 starter jet, full choke, 3 - 5 full cranks of the throttle with ignition light on then shut the throttle completely and e-start for a second. If it does not fire up repeat. Do not engage the starter for more than 2 seconds at a time. When it is in the 30's or colder she can take up to 10 or 12 times to fire with the e-start and then the battery starts to go.
Below 40 degrees just kick her over! As your bikes break in it will start easier in all conditions but beware below 40 degrees I just kick start it after e-start fails. Jetting is very important. The starter jet for summer is around 65 but more is needed in the cold.
Posted December 13, 2003 - 06:19 AM
They make the starters heavy duty on quads because quad riders are idiots. Yamaha made the e-start as light as possible. Quit whining and fix the problems. It takes about 2 hours and about 50 bucks to get one running right.
A WR450 will make your buddies Hondas look like mopeds.
Posted December 13, 2003 - 06:59 AM
Hate to keep on saying my buddy this my buddy that (he's too lazy to read the forums or post and relies on me for fixing and advice), but his 03 WR450 just goes "click" 80% of the time. Even when hot, battery charged, bike running all day etc. Sometimes turning the crank past TDC helps. I can understand starting by kicker when cold, but the damn thing just does not work. So if he richens up the pilot jet the bike won't go "click" when pressing the magic button anymore? Don't think so. I'm starting to think he should check to see which battery is installed and buying the 120 cca model.
To the guy who stated the battery is not the problem, "it's showing 13 volts", did you check the voltage with the starter under load? Voltage and amperage are two completely different measurements. The battery could have all the voltage in the world, but without enought current, it don't mean squat. You could show 13 volts, but as soon as you try to start the voltage could drop to 6 or 8 volts if the crank won't turn. I'm thinking the extra oomph from more CCA might make the crank turn over more reliably.
Posted December 13, 2003 - 07:20 AM
but his 03 WR450 just goes "click" 80% of the time
Your buddy has some problem with the bike, that is not the starting problem guys are talking about here, in general. Sounds electrically to me.
Posted December 13, 2003 - 07:30 AM
And I'm not whining, the bike has been waiting at the dealer since tuesday waiting to be rejetted thats why I have been on here every 5 min
Posted December 13, 2003 - 07:40 AM
I've been using my e-start since January (when I picked up my WR) and it starts everytime. I've never heard a clicking sound like you've described. I do kick it the first time when it's colder than around 40 degrees outside just because the motor and oil are stiff from the cold. I've never put a single charge on the battery either...
Posted December 13, 2003 - 07:57 AM
now for the starter itself. you can probably do a search under "starters" but a lot of the comments have been in other topics. along with some of the other problems the '03's have had, a few have had bad starters. even when the motors warm they just go "click". they are a pain to remove but if you do, the manual show a way to test it. page 6-14 has the info. if the armature has a bad spot it will not hit when that spot is in contact with the brushes. the really bad news that goes with it is, you can't get just parts. the whole starter motor has to be replaced.
Posted December 13, 2003 - 11:43 AM
It takes about 2 hours and about 50 bucks to get one running right.
I'm gonna agree with Beezer here....
I do think it's jetting and the fact that the bike has 800 miles on it.. Yes, you're probably right the bike's broken in, but my bike got easier to start as time went on. Before you get too angry with the bike make sure it's jetted correctly, sounds like you took the right step by having the shop do it..
I do believe that Yamaha could've given the 03's a better starter, they changed the 04's around for a reason, they had to improve it. When you get the bike back let us know what happeneds...