Posted November 09, 2001 - 10:34 PM
Posted November 09, 2001 - 01:43 PM
Same problem here. Perhaps we can form a ClubMoto can't corner club.
I've been trying every technique in the book. Getting much better, but still have a very long way to go. Would be great to get some off bike video coverage...eh? I'm sure I would look sorry.
Posted November 09, 2001 - 02:06 PM
Posted November 09, 2001 - 02:14 PM
The farther I get up on the seat, the easier it is to corner. This also helps to weight the front wheel and eliminate some of the pushing. Keeping my elbows up also places more weight on the front wheel.
The more I roll the gas on (instead of just cracking the throttle open) the more I am able to use the tractability of the engine. I also weight the outside peg. This results in less of the rear end wash out and keeps you driving forward.
Momentum into the corner equals momentum out of the corner. If I slow down too much entering the corner, I feel the need to get back up to speed as quickly as possible. I then end up cracking the open and the rear end wants to wash out. The smoother you go in, the smoother you go out.
I like to stand as much as possible. I stand braking and entering into the corner, sit long enough to get around the corner and stand as soon as possible to get out of the corner and down the straight.
When I was at Glen Helen for the Vet Nationals I watched the top guys and their cornering. They get on the gas soooo early. That means they get their braking done while approaching the corner and get on the gas just after entering the corner. Those guys are soooo fast.
There are so many little things that need to come together to make just one good corner. Physical conditioning, mental preperation, quality equipment, good tires, proper jetting, condition of the track/dirt, etc., etc., etc. The only way we can get better is to get some good advise and practice...practice...practice.
I'm exhausted just thinking about it!!! I think I'll go hit the fridge and get a beverage of choice.
Posted November 09, 2001 - 03:53 PM
Met EbayThumper out there a few weeks ago. Cool dude.
Once I heal up thy leg, I'll write ya. I'm making some changes to the bike and can't wait to test it all out.
Posted November 09, 2001 - 04:28 PM
Excellent post! I think you gave some very sound advice.
Gary Semics has some good videos outlining these techniques as well. They are advertised in most of the mx rags.
Posted November 10, 2001 - 04:45 AM
Posted November 10, 2001 - 05:33 AM
The major mistake people make in cornering is
they get forward alright but then they pull the
foot back and even dab in the dirt at times. This
stands the bike up and leaves you behind. The
secret is to practice going slow and keeping that
foot forward and off the ground staying smooth.
My corners sucked until I received this tip from
a world four stroke champion. The best riders have this problem also and they must work on it
just like we do, but how many will slow down for
awhile to go faster later? Not Many! Check your
radiator shrouds they should be showing a lot
of wear at the front.
Posted November 10, 2001 - 08:21 AM
Posted November 10, 2001 - 08:24 AM
Posted November 10, 2001 - 08:39 AM
Posted November 10, 2001 - 09:11 AM
Just make sure those 80's dont get sucked into you air filter! LOL
Posted November 12, 2001 - 07:43 AM
I snapped the tib and fib last January on the Troll trail at Holister. Hit a tree stump.
Last Friday a week ago, I had all the metal taken out they put in to get the bones back in place.
Feels good, so I may actually hit the track sooner than I thought. Can't sit still for too long.
I'll let ya know if I'll be there this weekend.
Posted November 12, 2001 - 08:26 AM
weekend. A little history:
I'd waited almost a year to set my sag correctly. My bad, but hey,
the bike is so much fun to ride that I didn't wanna work on it.
I had the bike set up (with 3.5 inches race sag) and it turned *very*
well. I set the sag to 4" and the bike didn't turn as well. I raised
the forks approx 2mm on Saturday and it transformed the cornering
ability of the bike, and me. The top of the clamps are now flush with
the little groove in the top of the forks, about 4mm (?) down. The
difference in how the bike turned was pretty dramatic.
Bottom line? Maybe it's not just your technique (which should be exactly what Ernie posted) but a little bit of bike setup.
Also, rode a 450F on the same day. With proper cornering technique,
I didn't notice drastic push I've been reading about. I'd probably raise
the forks 1-2mm on that bike and it'll carve just fine. The owner of
the 450 rode my bike and noticed a similar push with my bike but not
as dramatic. IMHO, *that* was his technique and not bike setup.
I had to get very far forward on the CR but it turned just fine.
Anyway, maybe this'll help...
Posted November 12, 2001 - 12:11 PM
Posted November 12, 2001 - 12:51 PM
Good job!! I totally forgot to give info on the bike set-up. Thanks for following up on this topic.
Make sure that whoever works on your suspension knows what they are doing. Nothing worse than getting it back and it was worse than before. Someone who works on suspension should ask your skill level or at least know your riding style and preference (moto vs desert vs trail).
Posted November 13, 2001 - 10:32 PM
I actually decided not to take it to this guy. I need to do more research. As funny as it sounds, his price was so cheap it made me nervous. He was going to do Front springs, oil, seals, Rear spring, shock service, grease linkage and set race sag. All for $300.00. And he said he uses RaceTech parts. I looked up on the website and just the parts alone cost that much. What do you think??
Posted November 13, 2001 - 12:13 PM
That is a tough call. Remember the parts listed on Race Techs web site are retail. If he is in business he gets the parts for dealer cost....alot less than you or I would pay!! That actually doesn't sound like a bad price. $150.00 per end with springs sounds like the springs and service only, no valving changes. Springs usually run anywhere from $70-$90 per end (retail).
Has he been around for a while?? Is he willing to give you references to contact??
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