[TechGuy]

As some of you know I bought the Off-Road.com Project CRF450. Since I bought it I have ridden it only a couple of hours and instead have been riding my other CRF which is much better dialed in for me. The top end on the project crf bike had been a little noisy so today I tore into it to see what the problem was. To my horror when I got inside I found the following: The cam was worn, and the lifter buckets were badly worn as well. I decided to continue my quest, off went the head and cylinder and what did I find but a well worn piston. :confused: It gets worse.... when I removed the piston I found bad scoring on the wrist pin and rod, and of course the lower end of the rod was bad as well.

Needless to say I am really pissed. The bike had obviosly been run very low on oil. I had changed the oil right away when I got the bike and had only ridden it about 2 hours.

Since I purchased this "perfect bike" I have already replaced the entire clutch as well as many other badly worn parts.

At this point I figure the motor is pretty much a total loss. I think I will just box up the bike and put it a corner and buy an '04. Maybe the guy I bought it from would like to buy it back. Unfortunately there is little or nothing that I can do about it financially. :cry:

[Mxrider87]

Did it only do the noise at idle???......a bike im thinking of buying makes some wierd noises when idling....... That really sucks, i hope this one i might buy doesnt turn out to have problems like that.

[cowboyona426]

That sucks :mad: Sorry to hear you got burned.

[Hick]

Damn. I wonder what they did to it?

You may be able to recoup your investment by parting it out. Just something to consider.

[honda88]

Sorry to here about techguy"s problem i would call the person you bought it from and tell him,anyway remember it was a project bike it was put through the ringer all those trick parts was only eye candy .avreage riders like us will never put that kind of ware on a bike.It,s all about maintenence.good luck.

[RIDING_ROB]

Who would of thought that bike would turn out to be a roach. :excuseme:

[robrob]

Who would of thought that bike would turn out to be a roach. :excuseme:



You've got to watch those journalist types very closely. If motorcycles were a top priority they wouldn't waste all their time writing about them, they'd be out there riding them like us. Now I've got to get away from this computer so I can get out and ride...

[SC_Spode]

I may be confusing this with another one, but didn't some other members have problems with items purchased from the guy that sold this bike?

[Throttlejockey]

Yep, that's the guy. Wasn't it a set of rims?

[SC_Spode]

Seems like what I remember... like someone had removed the tires with a chainsaw.

[Mr. Blonde]

didnt the guy that bought the rims say that he post under about three different names also :thinking:

[NorCalRider]

Wow, that really sucks. I would be seriously pissed off. :mad:

But, wasn't that bike raced in several WORCS races? He probably flogged the crap out of it.

Either way, he should of been honest and up-front with you.

Maybe he honestly didn't know the condition of the motor? :excuseme:

Maybe he really did use a chain saw to take the tires off the wheels he sold to another guy? :excuseme:

For me, this whole thing makes all of his reviews at off-road.com "questionable". At best.

I would like to think that he honestly didn't know of any problems. But after the deal he had with the scratched up set of wheels, who knows. And what is the reason for using multiple nicknames?

[LowCo]

Wasnt that bike stolen?
Or did I just dream that?

[Eddie Sisneros]

you paid a good chunk of money for that roach didnt you?was the seller a TT memeber? :excuseme:

[TechGuy]

I just got off of the phone with Eric Gorr at Forward Racing (a real helpful guy) and tomorrow I am boxing up the motor and sending it in to have it rebuilt. I am getting the 480 kit with a JE piston, a new crank, race cam, all bearings replaced throughout, and while I am at it they will port the head. I am setting it up for flat track and this baby will rip.

This is pretty much what I planned to do with it, only I didn't expect to spend the extra $1000 to get there.

In the end I will have a very reliable well built motor that runs great. Oh, that's right, that's what I paid huge $$$ for in the first place. Live and learn. :excuseme:

I will let you guys know how it turns out.

[BrandonW]

TechGuy was totally exploited on that. It was advertised on eBay as one of the sweetest bikes every made. Every aftermarket part was considered, and only those that would create a better bike as a whole were put on the bike. It was advertised as a bike that was the absolute cream of the crop.

As the eBay auction continued, somebody chimed in that they had bought a set of rims from the same seller, and they were a little dissatisfied with the rims. We saw the rims, and they were servicable, but not what a "picky" person would fly with pride. That sent up some red flags, but TechGuy had already bid on the eBay item.

Then he got the bike, and it was obvious that there was some mis-representation. The further TechGuy digs, the worse it gets.

The seller posted a couple of times, mainly to defend his rim sale, but since this fiasco blew into town, I don't think that guy has made much of a presence.

TechGuy got swindled, bad, and I think he has handled this situation with 1000% more class than I could ever muster, under the same conditions.

My $0.02.

I think the seller has his coming, and TechGuy has a break or two or three headed his way.

[SC_Spode]

TechGuy,
Perhaps you ought to budget a little money for an aluminum bat and a map. Sounds like that guy might need a "break" or two, also.
;)

[Eddie Sisneros]

whats his TT name?ebay user name?

[Boudroux]

Please post the TT name and ebay name. Makes me nervous when looking at items for sale at either place. This is the same offroad.com project bike?

[NorCalRider]

Yep, same CRF project bike from off-road.com. One of his TT names was DGA.

But who is KGA?

http://www.thumpertalk.com/forum/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB29&Number=272619&Forum=All_Forums&Words=ProjectCRF&Match=Entire%20Phrase&Searchpage=0&Limit=25&Old=allposts&Main=272619&Search=true#Post272619

[TechGuy]

Thanks for the support guys. His EBAY was 973kgt, and I do not remember what name he used here. I figure I could jump up and down and yell about it but it's not like he refused to give me stickers or something serious like that. :p
I am just looking forward to having a really hot flat track bike when I am done. :thumbsup:

[NorCalRider]

For what it's worth, his name was definately DGA.

http://www.thumpertalk.com/forum/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB39&Number=564887&Forum=All_Forums&Words=project%20crf%20off%20road&Match=And&Searchpage=0&Limit=25&Old=allposts&Main=557136&Search=true#Post564887

[TechGuy]

NorcalRider, I just clicked on the link and reread the description of the bike, now I am pissed again. :lol: Just kidding, now I don't feel quite as stupid. It makes your mouth water just reading the description. Too bad it was a load of crap. :naughty:

[Boudroux]

If the engine isn't like this:
The motor is completely fresh. New piston, rings, complete gasket set, complete engine seal set

he deserves a major a$$ kicking. Maybe you can take digi photos of the condition of the engine. If they are as bad as you described then this was a total false statement. That really sucks Techguy.

[MX600]

KGA was Kevin Gorzny who was the original off-road.com guy. Kevin transferred to Baja Designs and his bike was stolen so the CRF project was stopped. Damon Adams then took over for Kevin and restarted the off-road.com CRF450 project. He posted on TT as DGA, presumably to feed off of KGA's reputation.

Something I noticed when checking out the CRF project on off-road.com is that Kevin's original reviews were much more objective. It seems that Damon always thought everything he tested was just great, and maybe that's how he sees things in general, which would explain his descriptions of the stuff he sold.

Kevin used to post quite a bit of useful stuff here. Too bad his replacement isn't up to par.

[Hick]

From the post NorCal linked:


In a flat out race at a dead start this CRF smoked a totally maxed out CR500 by 13 bike lengths in a 1/4 mile race.





This guy is obviously full of it here. In hindsight it looks even worse.

[Eddie Sisneros]

agreed!this guy needs a swift kick to the pie hole! :smashpc:

[SC_Spode]

Perhaps it's worth checking into what recourse you have since it appears he knowingly posted false information. At the very least you could contact eBay's legal department.
I'm no lawyer, but I see people being threatened for being non-paying bidders, thereby breaching a legal contract. All that small print stuff when you sign up on eBay.
Perhaps there are even Federal laws that come into play since it was done over a communication medium (internet).
At the very least it would be nice to rattle his cage for a while.
The next person he pulls this on may not be so pleasant. Everyday you hear about people assuming room temperature for a lot less than this stool did.
Sorry, I hate liars and thieves. The combination of the two only adds to it exponentially.

[TechGuy]

I just finished ordering all but the piston, cylinder, and cam. Good thing Service Honda has good prices.
;)
Thank You for your order.

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[Scott_F]

I met Kevin Gorzny once after the CRF was stolen. He seemed like an OK guy to me. So this bike is not the recovered stolen bike?