[ktmfred300]

Reiter is just too small of an area to be divided up. Why cann't it be ORV only thats what it started out to be. Who made the trails, started the clean-ups it was the dirtbikers no one else. I don't what to share it with anyone its not big enough! The DNR plan should be rejected do to the fact that will not be enough mileage of trail to disperse impact and it will not have the quality and mix of trail that we even enjoy now. Does anyone at the DNR ride? Do they really understand or want to understand what we need. Sure Tod has mentioned that they have people at Walker that have a clue but will that knowledge filter down to Reiter. I'm sorry I don't trust the DNR to do the right thing. They are trying to make everyone happy but its not going to work at Reiter. :banghead:

[sdavies]

Reiter is just too small of an area to be divided up. Why cann't it be ORV only thats what it started out to be. Who made the trails, started the clean-ups it was the dirtbikers no one else. I don't what to share it with anyone its not big enough! The DNR plan should be rejected do to the fact that will not be enough mileage of trail to disperse impact and it will not have the quality and mix of trail that we even enjoy now. Does anyone at the DNR ride? Do they really understand or want to understand what we need. Sure Tod has mentioned that they have people at Walker that have a clue but will that knowledge filter down to Reiter. I'm sorry I don't trust the DNR to do the right thing. They are trying to make everyone happy but its not going to work at Reiter. :banghead:
I wish all the information was give to us by the DNR, the issues are very complicated. The FS,has had issues for years over the area,no one told us. Area population had issues,you never heard a wisper. I wish it were as simple as we would like to belive. The process has become so complex that fighting will only delay, disrupt, and cloud the real issues. The DNR has hope for comunity help and involvement in the process. Most of them really would like to open a bunch of area to us but with all the gripeing and argueing it isn't going to happen any time soon. If we got our act together mabe we could help in a way that we would be a whole lot happyer. Optimistic as all get out,But it's becoming hard to stay that way.

[ktmfred300]

I wish all the information was give to us by the DNR, the issues are very complicated. The FS,has had issues for years over the area,no one told us. Area population had issues,you never heard a wisper. I wish it were as simple as we would like to belive. The process has become so complex that fighting will only delay, disrupt, and cloud the real issues. The DNR has hope for comunity help and involvement in the process. Most of them really would like to open a bunch of area to us but with all the gripeing and argueing it isn't going to happen any time soon. If we got our act together mabe we could help in a way that we would be a whole lot happyer. Optimistic as all get out,But it's becoming hard to stay that way.
Open Sultan Basin to single track users only!:banana:

[sconeracing]

ya those days are gone Fred,

[sdavies]

Open Sultan Basin to single track users only!:banana:
I agree. But relize that is going to take a long time to achive. But don't give up hope.

[schrode]

just do it

[Angliagasser]

I got this earlier today:

State DNR to hold meeting on Reiter Foothills Forest Recreation Plan

When: Wednesday, November 18, 6:30 to 8 p.m.

Where: The Commons, Monroe High School, 17001 Tester rd, Monroe

For more information about the meeting, contact Candace Johnson, 360-854-2803 or
candace.johnson@dnr.wa.gov

[ktmfred300]

If the DNR is going to take trail mileage away from us then they need to give some back. The battle cry is REOPEN SULTAN BASIN NOW !!!!!!!!!!!!

[Crashfab]

If the DNR is going to take trail mileage away from us then they need to give some back. The battle cry is REOPEN SULTAN BASIN NOW !!!!!!!!!!!!

Like anything--sitting behind your computer crying things like this do nothing. If this is what you want---have you started working torwards it?

There is more to stuff than meets the eye at face value here on the net or any forum. Bottom line it takes countless hours of work to achieve anything from the users side of the fence. But plain and simply your not going to get anything yelling and screaming or throwing others under the bus.

[tod701]

If the DNR is going to take trail mileage away from us then they need to give some back. The battle cry is REOPEN SULTAN BASIN NOW !!!!!!!!!!!!

That works for me :ride:


Like anything--sitting behind your computer crying things like this do nothing. If this is what you want---have you started working torwards it?

There is more to stuff than meets the eye at face value here on the net or any forum. Bottom line it takes countless hours of work to achieve anything from the users side of the fence. But plain and simply your not going to get anything yelling and screaming or throwing others under the bus.

Very true.

Yelling only helps if you know at who / where to yell.
That is coming :busted:

[Crashfab]

That works for me :ride:




Very true.

Yelling only helps if you know at who / where to yell.
That is coming :busted:

Tod whats you location from gold bar--I will start yelling your way now :busted:

Also yelling a bunch of nonsense---ya just makes them look the other way :thumbsup:

[tod701]

Tod whats you location from gold bar--I will start yelling your way now :busted:

South of Stanwood (Lake Shoecraft) and there is always a cold beer in the 'fridge. :banana:


Also yelling a bunch of nonsense---ya just makes them look the other way :thumbsup:

Got to be quality, not just quantity.

[shrubitup]

If the DNR is going to take trail mileage away from us then they need to give some back. The battle cry is REOPEN SULTAN BASIN NOW !!!!!!!!!!!!
I'd hafta accept this compromise as well - though not reluctantly however. :prof:

[Crashfab]

South of Stanwood (Lake Shoecraft) and there is always a cold beer in the 'fridge. :banana:




Got to be quality, not just quantity.

Well played sir :thumbsup:

How far from lk goodwin (my parents live on the lake just north of goodwin)?

I need to take you up on that offer here really soon--very interested in what info you can share with me from a different users standpoint/info :thumbsup:

[chadman300]

Maybe we can run this type of tire to keep Reiter’s open and DNR and the greenies happy. :smirk:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3492/4082097468_7ffee02f72.jpg

[PBryant]

Is that the new Maxis trials tire?

[BullTaco]

Wow,

The single trackers take three steps forward in their argument against the ravages of the 4 x 4 and qwad crowds, then we get this:


Seems like we should find a spot on DNR land somewhere betweeen Gold Bar and North Bend and start cutting trail. It will be years before the quadtards and 4x4 muck it up


How can we expect the DNR and greenies to see any differences in ORV use when the operating mantra is "Go where you can; you deserve this track; s'all good as long as you don't get caught?"

BullTaco

[Slackkinhard]

Wow,

The single trackers take three steps forward in their argument against the ravages of the 4 x 4 and qwad crowds, then we get this:



How can we expect the DNR and greenies to see any differences in ORV use when the operating mantra is "Go where you can; you deserve this track; s'all good as long as you don't get caught?"

BullTaco

This is how ALL dirt bike single track got started...and many ultimately become the dual track areas. I can't think of a single track area that has ever been designated and subsequently designed and built for us. We build them, others use them, and eventually ruin and/or take them. Dirt biking has never been, and will never be a mainstream sport. It is too prone to injury...and our herd is culled rather efficiently. There just are not that many "lifers" out there. Getting somebody to give permission for use of an area, invites liability. All my life, I've ridden areas that weren't officially set aside for such activity...junkyards, abandoned lots, badland areas that don't allow for easy spread of concrete...International border areas, etc. It just didn't bother anybody, so they looked the other way, and didn't do anything...until one day, something bigger and/or louder starts using the trail. This is when the public level of concern rises to the point of actually doing something, such as blocking it off, or making rules.

I certainly don't need the problems at Reiter affecting any of the other areas I ride. Nobody is upset with me there, haven't been for 10yrs, and unless someone else ruins it with more laws/rules...they will remain for the future. The biggest hope I have in all of this litigation is to somehow separate single track use from dual track use in the letter of the law. Our priviliges will be cut if we are lumped in with the others.

[Penton]

Bought myself a dual sport this week to change with the coming times. Unless we get some monkeys with illegal plates and ultra loud pipes running up and down the back roads doing wheelies then it will be open there. All the trails that were closed in this area deserved to be because of abuse by a few. The day I met 4 riders that lived 8 hours from here running up and down a county road wide open I knew the closure was only a matter of time. It is like the old west being tamed with barbed wire and the influx of settlers, unfortunately. I hope this area gets reopened for you guys, they never did around here.

[JamesB]

BuLLTaco......Ref 71:thinking:

[WAMXP1MP]

BuLLTaco......Ref 71:thinking:

I think the mods should delete this comment it is not constructive to the convo making a reference and calling someone a fag is childish and accomplishes nothing thanks for taking the thread off track. better yet just sell your bike and go join the tree huggers :banghead:

[ADAM_3rd]

I maintain thats it's the people who voted for Patty Murray, Christine Gregoire, Jay Inslee and the like, or didn't vote at all, who got Reiter shut Down. People who never saw those trails and never will. They just want to make sure you can't use them because of their philosophical opposition of our sport.

This is so true! I believe this is where the real fight is,get people who realize our sport is a= family orientated in your local government.

[schrode]

BuLLTaco......Ref 71:thinking:

is your gaydar going beep beep, or is it just wishful thinking?

[ktmfred300]

Like anything--sitting behind your computer crying things like this do nothing. If this is what you want---have you started working torwards it?

There is more to stuff than meets the eye at face value here on the net or any forum. Bottom line it takes countless hours of work to achieve anything from the users side of the fence. But plain and simply your not going to get anything yelling and screaming or throwing others under the bus.

Before you start throwing stones at someone you might want to know his background first. I have been in the motorsports industry for 30 years and have been involved in the NMA for 25 years. I have done tons of trail work and have been educuateing my customers about the Nova funds, Reiter. And yes I am sitting behind my computer just like you voiceing what I think could be done, throwing out ideas. I know that it takes a lot of work to get things done if have been to lots of meetings in the past. And who am I throwing under the bus? I'm just making a statement that maybe you don't agree with. I think we are getting a raw deal with this whole Reiter thing, but its just same crap over and over again off roaders are not reconized by this state. We need more trail mileage not less. When was the last time a new area was opened up? We are just a bunch of REDNECKS that don't vote. So I still stand behind my statement that Sutan Basin should be reopened and I believe I have a lot of support for that. If you don't agree thats your deal but I'm not some dumb a@# that shoots off at the mouth.

[schrode]

ktmfred don't let the runaways from the toolshed get you down. it's obvious from your previous posts that you speak from a position of experience and wisdom. i thank you for you efforts, if even 1% of off-roaders, pick your mode, put half the effort into preserving the sport we'd be in a much better place.

do you have a shop? if so which one, the few that i've been to don't seem to care about land useage and i'd much rather support one that does.

have a good day.

[Crashfab]

Before you start throwing stones at someone you might want to know his background first. I have been in the motorsports industry for 30 years and have been involved in the NMA for 25 years. I have done tons of trail work and have been educuateing my customers about the Nova funds, Reiter. And yes I am sitting behind my computer just like you voiceing what I think could be done, throwing out ideas. I know that it takes a lot of work to get things done if have been to lots of meetings in the past. And who am I throwing under the bus? I'm just making a statement that maybe you don't agree with. I think we are getting a raw deal with this whole Reiter thing, but its just same crap over and over again off roaders are not reconized by this state. We need more trail mileage not less. When was the last time a new area was opened up? We are just a bunch of REDNECKS that don't vote. So I still stand behind my statement that Sutan Basin should be reopened and I believe I have a lot of support for that. If you don't agree thats your deal but I'm not some dumb a@# that shoots off at the mouth.

For the record I don't know tom from henry and so on--I just take in what I have read in my time here.

Don't take offense to what I have said as that was not the intention--meerly making a point of talk is cheap.

As for being thrown under the bus that was simply a blanket statement for those who wish to throw stones and be productive to the problem at hand.

Also I am sorry if you got the assumption that my standpoint for the sultan basin was to remane closed when in fact thats not what I was saying. I used to ride there, up around blue mountain and so forth and I know whats there--IMO its an ideal location with alot of hardpan soils for single tracks.

My only point was its one thing to sit behind a keyboard and its another to "do"..

I am behind you not against you...

[ktmfred300]

ktmfred don't let the runaways from the toolshed get you down. it's obvious from your previous posts that you speak from a position of experience and wisdom. i thank you for you efforts, if even 1% of off-roaders, pick your mode, put half the effort into preserving the sport we'd be in a much better place.

do you have a shop? if so which one, the few that i've been to don't seem to care about land useage and i'd much rather support one that does.

have a good day.

Thanks for the kind words. :thumbsup: I work at Lynnwood Motoplex the sponsor of the NMA Poker Run Series. I owned High Gear Motorsports in Monroe until this economic turn down. I'm known to some as the KTM Guru of the Northwest but I know a lot about other bikes as well. If I can help you with anything please let me know. I'm very passionate about offroad motorcycles and keeping trails open.

[ktmfred300]

For the record I don't know tom from henry and so on--I just take in what I have read in my time here.

Don't take offense to what I have said as that was not the intention--meerly making a point of talk is cheap.

As for being thrown under the bus that was simply a blanket statement for those who wish to throw stones and be productive to the problem at hand.

Also I am sorry if you got the assumption that my standpoint for the sultan basin was to remane closed when in fact thats not what I was saying. I used to ride there, up around blue mountain and so forth and I know whats there--IMO its an ideal location with alot of hardpan soils for single tracks.

My only point was its one thing to sit behind a keyboard and its another to "do"..

I am behind you not against you...

Thanks:thumbsup: Maybe we can help Tod with this idea. I'm for more trail not less and Sultan Basin makes total sence to me.

[BullTaco]

WAM,

Don't worry about James's comment: I'm old, got two kids, wife, dog that farts stench bombs, and an alternative life style would be way too over-the-top for me.

But, I'm glad the guy knew about the initiative.

An informed citizenry is our best defense against tyranny, except for DNR/Greens/4x4's and the occasional ignorant comment in an internet forum! :lol::lol::lol:

BullTaco

[team claw]

I've been reading this thread from it's inception but haven't replied because Reiter is not an area I ride. I know the general location but not the specifics.

Which brings me to a question. I recently received an e-mail from Mark Mauren, the DNR recreation guy. It's just a statewide DNR recreation update newsletter that many of you also probably receive.The e-mail was a heads-up for an upcoming "Reiter Work Meeting" or something to that effect.

Why would they call a meeting like this if Reiter is closing?

I'm not well-versed on the issues at Reiter.....just want to get the facts and learn from it.

Thanks.