FS,BLM plan to restrict off-road vehicles in West


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Crowdog
05-07-2005, 05:22 AM
Federal land agencies plan to restrict off-road vehicles in West
By MARTIN GRIFFITH | Associated Press
May 5, 2005

RENO, Nev. - For decades, off-road vehicle enthusiasts have been mostly free to roam federal forests and rangelands at will. But their freewheeling days could be numbered.

In a move expected to generate controversy, the U.S. Forest Service and Bureau of Land Management are developing plans to restrict the vehicles to designated routes and areas.

Federal officials say the proposal is essential to curb environmental damage and ease conflict among users of public lands. Nationally, they cite a sevenfold increase from 1972 to 2000 in the number of off-roaders to 36 million.

"The days of blazing new trails are coming to an end," said Leo Drumm, off-highway vehicle coordinator for the Nevada BLM. "Off-highway vehicles are a legitimate use of public land, but there has to be some controls."

Nowhere would the proposed changes have a bigger effect than Nevada and its wide-open spaces.

The federal government controls 87 percent of the state, and Nevada is home to the largest national forest outside Alaska: the 6.3-million-acre Humboldt-Toiyabe.

While the vast majority of Nevada's backcountry is currently unrestricted to off-roaders, federal land managers have begun the process to ban travel off designated routes and areas.

And while the changes might be most dramatic in Nevada, similar efforts to address off-road travel are under way across the West.

"We're all recognizing at the same time the need to work on this issue," said Bob Vaught, supervisor of the Humboldt-Toiyabe. "There's widespread agreement that we need to do a better job of managing off-highway vehicle use."

Even though a Forest Service national off-road policy awaits final action nearly a year after it was unveiled, individual national forests are being encouraged to address the issue because of soaring off-road use.

Federal land managers are taking a cue from Forest Service chief Dale Bosworth, who identified unmanaged recreation as one of the four biggest threats to national forests.

BLM Director Kathleen Clarke shares Bosworth's concerns.

Environmental and motorized recreation groups praise federal officials for confronting the issue, but they say a battle looms over which roads and trails to close and keep open.

Conservationists said they're concerned not enough roads will be closed to protect wildlife and habitat.

"We need to encourage them to act in a way that will result in real on-the-ground protection," said Jeremy Garncarz of the Wilderness Society's Denver office. "We're losing wildlife habitat on a daily basis because of these problems."

Most hunters welcome the push to keep off-road vehicles to designated routes and areas, said Stan Rauch, hunter outreach coordinator of the Washington, D.C.-based National Trails and Waters Coalition, which seeks better management of the vehicles on public land.

Traditional sportsmen have accused those who go off road to hunt using all-terrain vehicles of disturbing their hunts and punching out more new roads in remote regions across the West.

"It's a good positive development for the land and users looking for a quality experience on public land," said Rauch, a big-game hunter from Victor, Mont., and member of the National Rifle Association.

Vehicle enthusiasts will try to keep as many roads and trails open as possible, said Brian Hawthorne, public lands director of the BlueRibbon Coalition, a motorized recreation advocacy group based in Pocatello, Idaho.

"(Environmentalists) are spending millions of dollars to close public land to public uses," Hawthorne said. "That's where the controversy is generated. What we want are managed off-highway trail systems and areas that are sustainable and that we can enjoy for generations to come."

Gerald Lent of the Nevada Hunters Association said most off-roaders are responsible and are being unfairly singled out. He questions the need for restrictions.

"Out in the middle of the desert, what damage are you doing with an ATV?" Lent asked. "It doesn't hurt anything. There's so much land out there I don't know how they would harm it."

Last year, Nevada Wildlife Commission Chairman Tommy Ford got a taste of the intense feelings surrounding the issue when he recommended a plan to prohibit hunters from driving ATVs more than 25 yards off established roads on public land.

Ford, who said the proposal was necessary to protect wildlife and habitat, shelved it after Lent and other hunters circulated petitions calling for his removal and printed bumper stickers that read: "Ban Tommy Ford, Not ATVs."

"They mislead the public on everything. They made it a personal issue," Ford said. "But it (off-road restrictions) is going to happen. It's happening as we stand here."

Federal land managers said they will work with various groups to identify roads and trails suitable for vehicles.

Each BLM district will update its resource management plan, and each forest district will work under centralized oversight to develop a system of designated routes and areas.

Every national forest is different and has to evaluate its own needs and abilities to provide for motorized use and recreational use at the local level," said Jerry Ingersoll, the Forest Service's Off-Highway Vehicle Program manager in Washington D.C.

"Many national forests are and will be evaluating those needs over the next few years," he said.

"The answers they get from doing travel planning are likely to be just as different as the national forests are different from one another," he said.

Implementation will vary, but some districts are shooting for as early as 2007.

While federal land managers said it's premature to discuss road closures, they won't rule them out.

"We're growing up as a state and we can't handle the unrestricted cross-country travel like we did in the past," Drumm said. "Every time you go out you find more new trails. Unfortunately, we're going to have to rein them (vehicles) in."

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On the Net:

U.S. Forest Service: http://www.fs.fed.us/

Bureau of Land Management: http://www.nifc.gov/

The Wilderness Society: http://www.wilderness.org

The Blue Ribbon Coalition: http://www.sharetrails.org/

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ridersupport
11-07-2009, 08:34 AM
I live in ELY NV. and go to each meeting @ the BLM office in ELY (1st and 3rd tuesday night @ 6pm meeting are open to all you can call the office for dates ) we loose trails each meeting due to the ECO people (they always show up) and they use there numbers to push poss.closing ,they went as far as saying we should not have any more races here but run them down south.if we keep loosing trails we will be rinding on dirt roads w/cars and trucks only,Also for hunters this will cause you to have to carry your game out ,they want to close any road or trail that runs close to each other
WE ALL NEED TO GET INVOLED BEFORE ITS TO LATE.....

kenshinrider
11-20-2009, 02:09 PM
I agree. I though nevada was exempt to this kinda thing and felt srry for my friends and family that live and ride in cali. We are well on our way to becoming the next cali....further proof is linked below:

http://www.duneguide.com/news/2009/06/ohv-registration-coming-to-nevada-sb.html

:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::foul::fou l::foul::foul::foul:

Ud_Luz
11-20-2009, 02:25 PM
I agree. I though nevada was exempt to this kinda thing and felt srry for my friends and family that live and ride in cali. We are well on our way to becoming the next cali....further proof is linked below:

http://www.duneguide.com/news/2009/06/ohv-registration-coming-to-nevada-sb.html

:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::foul::fou l::foul::foul::foul:
Colorado does this and over all it's been a plus.

ridersupport
11-21-2009, 07:48 AM
I attend these meeting every other tuesday night here in ely nv.and if the eco freaks get there way there wont be much left to play on ,we fight hard to keep trail open BUT they have more support at the meetings and fight harder ,If this passes once they have made the plan we will have to trailer our toys to set riding areas instead of taking off from our back yards ,we dont make new trails we use the ones that have been here for years .I dont want to be come a outlaw rider but (they best find realy fast cops) I see new trails starting some day if they close every down .Is this the way we want our kids to grow up .I have no plans to stop my kids from riding here in NV ,We WILL FIND A PLACE TO RIDE . we need all offroad peoples help GO to your meetings at the F.S & BLM

2in2out
11-24-2009, 07:15 PM
Colorado does this and over all it's been a plus.

All this is is a way for NDMV to get more funds, and keep buyers in state paying over inflated prices. From Reno I can go to Roseville and save $500-700 on newer bikes OTD. The Nevada Powersports Dealers Group was behind this to try to save their butts instead of lowering prices.

If the program was managed by NDOW, I would have more buy-in. But as it stands now, I can't support this legislation in the least bit.

OHV means off highway. DMV can bite me since they won't let me dual-sport my bike!!!! If they did, I still wouldn't support it under their management.

Nhtaol
11-27-2009, 08:39 PM
I saw a site where they gave a ticket to a horse rider for removing brush placed on a trail to deter cyclists from using it. And intended to see him in court. You must realise that the (your public lands is actaully mine and I will tell you what to do with its) have gone to work for the forrest service and BLM and intend to run yo out. So either cammo you bikes or get them the way they intend to get you ( from Washington D.C.). Half of these freaks wouldent spend a night in a tent if you paid them to but will take your liberties away because they think they are being morally responsible.

ridersupport
11-28-2009, 07:42 AM
one good thing is as long as they leave the wild mustangs running free there will always new trails to ride ,when riding look for where the wild mustangs run ,they tear up every thing they run over ,so the GOV. will have to fellow them around and close there trails behind the horse. that should keep them busy... and the way the GOV. works they will get tired of it and stop someday. so start buying low bds pipes for you bikes you will make less noise.

kamotors
12-01-2009, 08:01 AM
I've been riding in the same spot in Reno, NV for 7-8 years with absolutely no complaints or problems with the police, and this last year the police are seriously cracking down on all riders(even if they are 10yr old kids on 50's just riding down the street). I've had cops follow me and others about 3-4 times in the last few months even when I'm in the dirt. Their is a huge dirt lot that all the riders go to at the end of my street(not very close to houses) and as of last month we've had 6 or 7 cops come down to the end of the street and tell us to leave or they'll take the bikes away. The cops now come within 5 minutes of us heading down their. The pit where we use to ride behind my house is now for sale. I live way out of city limits but things have drastically changed for riders in my area, all trails now say no motor vehicle, and the woods are now fenced in. My bike is spending way too much time in the garage and not enough time in the dirt.:(

jlkfg
12-01-2009, 12:28 PM
I'll tell you what is gobbling up far more habitat than a few OHV trails; the subdivisions and roads those hippies live in and drive on every day. they ought to return all their property to original "natural" state before they have a right to worry about anyone elses.

jefgil123
12-09-2009, 05:33 PM
...and then the State Legislature will have a $$$ fund to raid and steal from
whenever they can't balance the budget. (See just what they did in
Washington and CA.....

jrmobb
12-09-2009, 09:47 PM
Im all for land control, it just needs to be done right. I cant stand the areas in California where people blaze new trails and ride in closed areas.Their needs to be a good amount of trails but people need to stay on them. I know to many areas where all vegetation is dead since people blaze everywhere and kill everything. thats what gets areas shut down.

DirtDgr
12-10-2009, 06:49 AM
Im all for land control, it just needs to be done right. I cant stand the areas in California where people blaze new trails and ride in closed areas.Their needs to be a good amount of trails but people need to stay on them. I know to many areas where all vegetation is dead since people blaze everywhere and kill everything. thats what gets areas shut down.



:bonk:

The problem is they arent doing it right and have no intention of doing it right when doing it wrong will get more land closed to off road.

control+smaller areas+less trails =
more damage to trails that are left+more people hurt do to over crowding+trail blazing due to the last two things=

EVEN MORE REASONS TO CLOSE RIDING AREAS!

Open more trails=LESS damage to a given area+LESS riders getting hurt.

Its backwards by design imo.

You ever ride out in Nevada when you could just pull of the road and take off. It is a very good feeling. You are young and therefore are born into the life under CONTROL and don't know anything else.

Ya might have to be a little older to be able to see what we have lost and are losing.

2in2out
12-10-2009, 10:38 AM
Im all for land control, it just needs to be done right. I cant stand the areas in California where people blaze new trails and ride in closed areas.Their needs to be a good amount of trails but people need to stay on them. I know to many areas where all vegetation is dead since people blaze everywhere and kill everything. thats what gets areas shut down.

I've ridden areas where within 2 weeks time, some quad tard (this isn't specifically in reference to sport quads, utility ATV's and UTV's are also to blame), or some idiot on a MX bike have gone rogue and made some new trail because they were bored with the other 2 million acres of Nevada they could ride.

If you want a new trail, GPS it on foot, flag the route, take it to the appropriate land management agency, and get it approved the right way. Then go build it following the guidelines given. Remember you could be blazing trail through an endangered species area, cultural or archiological site, private property, or just creating a new path of erosion.

If you need help, talk to an avid mountainbiker. They know who to talk to. Look at all the trails they get.

I love single track, and I want more of it, but we need to go about getting it the right way, and respecting the other users of it.

Most of the trails I rode as a kid are covered by empty, bank-owned stucco McMansions that all look alike. What trails are left are abused by the left over occupants of those developments, and covered with their shell casings, shot up beer cans, bottles, cardboard TV boxes, left over plywood, and abandoned cars. Too cheap to use the dump, or go to an actual shooting facility, and I get blamed because some teenage kid wanted to blaze a new trail from his bonfire party area and shooting gallery, to adrenaline utopia.

We are to blame for not using discipline, and not policing ourselves. So are the mountainbikers, horseback riders, and hikers.

No matter where I go, either hiking, mountainbiking, or dirtbiking, someone else isn't using good sense, or behaving appropriately. All to often I find their license plate says Ca on it, but sometimes it also says Nv. I'm tired of playing nice and being appropriate (even though I will continue because I believe that is the right course), and having all my efforts washed away because some other fool can't behave beyond that of a spoiled 8 y/o.

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